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No, the only reason to be using Daggers is if you want people to know that you are a n00b. If I'm in a group with a Dagger using Rogue I ignore it, but if its in a raid I'm quite willing to tell them to get a ******* clue.

Combat Swords is only boring on fights like Morogrim, Anetheron, and Void Reaver where you stand behind the mob and spam your cycle.

Oh wait.

Guess what you do as Mutilate or Combat Daggers in those fights...

You stand behind the mob and spam your cycle. Boring as well.

And then when you get to a fight like Al'ar, Lurker, Hydross, Leo, and plenty of others your choice of being Daggers ***** you over. Good luck getting behind them for any reasonable amount of time.

And ***** you too. I'll have my fun my own way, thank you. If you consider me a "n00b" for such an asshat reason I know that I'm the better man anyway.

Logic is here to save the day.

1) Daggers are not optimal.

2) All players that use non-optimal weapons are noobs.

3) You use daggers, ergo you are a noob.

Logic saves the day!

No, the time I spend theorycrafting is when my arena teams aren't playing and when I'm not raiding BT (which I don't raid as of the beginning of S4).

Your logic fails, moron.

I misinterpreted one of your sentences. I thought you meant "If I'm in a group with a dagger using Rogue I ignore it" as if you were saying you were ignoring hÃm on purpose.
Same thing as you did to me though; I've never said anything about mutilate in raids. I'm just defending daggers because people like Theo need to be know-it-all asshats and bash them for plainly retarded (sorry for using the word) reasons.

My response wasn't any more childish than yours, since you're pretty much directly calling me a noob.

If you don't like the way I play, that's your call. But don't expect me to sit still while you are shouting at me. On the other hand, I can't agree more with "You can have fun while raiding, but you need to strike a balance between fun, and being competant.". I'm not here to pick a fight with you, but there's such a thing as 'live and let live'.

And Theo; are you ever going to shut up and stop being a plain *** or are you one of those hopeless cases who reacts on bad things in life by yelling at others while not caring if he might be annoying them or not? If it's the latter, let me know so I can /care.

So we both agree. Good, I don't really care anymore since we both seemed to be misinterpreting each other.

My only question is, how far in raiding are you? I'm not gonna say if you aren't past Kara or something you suck, but if thats as far as you've gotten I could see where you are coming from.

Hmm... Touché. I didn't mean that insulting, it's just my primary comeback when people yell at me for playing daggers. I just absolutely hate the look of swords or maces... It's just not a rogue thing.




*Nods* Suppose you can then. I've done nearly full Molten Core back in the day (though that was on a priest), but right now I'm mainly stuck on Kara where I've been with a number of different guilds; so it's more that I've seen a number of bosses in it in an a-chronological order. It more or less ties in with my attitude of hating know-it-all hardcore raiders. They are calling me a "noob" while I know I'm at least a 'good' player. Things like running away at 3% hp from that paladin, then shadowstepping him to avoid his hammer of wrath and finishing him off with a backstab and eviscerate in a arena match that ended up 1on1 is one of the things I've done that still make me think "Alright, tháts skill". Knowing I'm capable of actions like that and then getting called a noob by somebody for using different weapons than he does just annoys me immensely.


Feyras; I can understand your post, but it's not what I'm saying. Whether Mutilate (or even Shadowstep, as I am specced) is good for raids or not is another discussion; I assume it's not, though I've seen some interesting threads on it earlier. My spec is the main reason why I'm levelling a priest once more; they can heal pretty much regardless of spec (as long as it's not shadow, and I hate shadow anyway). On the other hand here, daggers might become raid viable again... Apperantly we're going to get some love in WOTLK, and one of those leaked subtlety talents lowers backstab's energy cost to 45 energy... that could be gamechanging for me... But that is another discussion as well I guess.

Thanks, but I don't think I'm ever going to try swords again (heck, my skill there's still 1... if I even learned the things). I'll leave raiding for my priest ^^.

Peace ez =)

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Question theo (maybe newbish) does top end matter on mace vs. sword with ShS? We were talking about this the other day when I was dueling a good mage, and he pointed out that from a strict PVP standpoint, maces have a little more top end then swords (S2 vs. S2).

I really don't PVE on my rogue anymore. Not like I'm about to go buy new maces, but does it matter at all (top end difference).

Precisely.

I would ague that tighter damage range is better because RNG is just as likely to **** you as help you when it comes to wider damage range.

I Wasn't taking it personally ... I know my limitations, and I know what I like and don't, so if you (or anyone else ... seeing as this isn't personal), want to think that I suck based on a few comments I make, then good for you. As I said, I just felt that the conversation HAD been quite cival until insults (albeit general ones) had to be thrown around.



Not once have I mentioned that you shouldn't use it ... I was presenting my own impressions regarding the use of the ability ... if my impressions influence your decisions (without you doing any further investigations), then ... well, that's your choice. I, Me, Personally, would rather not use an ability where I constantly have to keep readjusting my position in relation to the mob.



Again, using Mutilate "as an opener" was not meant in the literal sense. I just saw merit in what you said (CS first followed by Muti .. in other words, using Muti as part of your opener)... and actually supported you in it (remember), why would you then change your tune.



And yet again, I haven't once told anybody else what's fun for them ... only what is or isn't fun for me ... As for not being a number cruncher ... ever considered that Crunching Numbers and figuring out the optimal combinations, gear, numbers, etc is actually fun for some people ... or are you (once again) going against your own advice and telling people what must be fun for them.

You're determined to ignore what I'm saying, aren't you?

You said you'd try using Mut as an opener. To me, an opener is your very first attack. Otherwise you're not really opening with it - you already used something else to prime your target.

Other parts of my post were directed towards the thread as a whole, not to you. Hence my annoyance with people taking everything personally these days.