I <3 MutilateFollow

I just respecced after hitting 70 in order to start grinding honour and I'm loving the crap out of it. I hit Kidney Shot, run behind, then **** blows up.

I'm not claiming that I universally kick ***, it's not as consistent as combat swords was for general PvE, and ShS obvious has its own advantages, but...seriously, I'm having some fun. My gear is pants enough that a pair of Ced's Carver's represent a huge upgrade, and I haven't even got the faction PvP set yet, but I still manage to kill more than I die, which is a big thing for a guy who's been combat swords since level 22. Maybe it's the joy of discovering what my dwarf's dagger animations looked like. Maybe it's finally getting a serious benefit from the poisons I carry around. Maybe it's the warm feeling I get in my pants when I do it from behind. But this, right here, this is why you play a rogue.

Just in case you lurk around here and for some obscure reason you've never tried muti, go do it. Now. It's worth 50g and an afternoon of being kited to do it occasionally. I seriously think I've found my calling.

I thoroughly enjoy mutilate spec as well and can't wait to go 51/20 in WotLK.

For now, though, I'm back to good old combat swords for some PVE fun since I got tired of BGs and my arena partner went AWOL.

FTFY, moron.

Edited, Jun 25th 2008 1:31pm by Theophany

Haha...that's funny.

Edited, Jun 25th 2008 5:55pm by Feyras

I recently got a nice pair of daggers and then changed to Mutilate. God, I love it... Killing clothies or even rogues/druids in CS+KS stun duration makes you feel powerful :) It's a lot more fun grinding BGs. But when your opponent doesn't even think turning his back to you, it sucks. Haven't played in arena as mutilate yet, i hope it's going to be just as fun and powerful :)

Yes, but if you intend to raid higher than Kara or Gruul's than its better to get into the habit and cycles of Combat Swords early.

After all, if you played minor league baseball and thought, "Its okay my batting technique blows cause this is just minor league." And then go to Major League you'll get @#%^ed over because you need to relearn the way you bat.

Its them same thing with going from Kara->Gruul's and above raiding. You can maybe, maybe get away with it on HKM, but on Gruul which is a DPS race you really need to be doing the most damage you can.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that if you really love Mutilate, go for it. But don't pretend that it compares to Combat for PvE. If you could do raids with 9-24 bots and your mistakes only affected you, than sure you could do Sub-par DPS. But when you have 9-24 other people relying on you to do your best you need to do your best.

Karazhan(except for Shade) doesn't have any enrage timers like 25 mans do, so as long as you don't die first you can get any of the bosses down. But for fights like Loot Reaver and Leotheras the Blind who both have 10 minute enrage timers in which it is quite easy to not kill the boss by the timer if you aren't all doing your best, you need that extra 5-10% personal DPS to win.

Edited, Jun 26th 2008 12:06pm by GodOfMoo

5% DPS at T6 levels is ~90-120 DPS. Over the span of a boss fight, that's a substantial amount of damage you're missing out on just because you like to be the bologna of rogues.

Oh I absolutely realize the potential DPS lost as you gear up better.

I was just stating that the gap between Cswords and muti isn't as large as it used to be.

If you checked my armory you'd notice I was Cswords right now trying to do some PVE.

Although I do REALLY hope that muti is the PVE spec for the new expansion. It's so much more fun to play.

If muti became "the PvE spec" then would combat become the complimentary tree that assassination is now? (for both PvE and PvE)? Dont see that happening. However, if they could get their numbers right (dont envy them for trying to have to work this out) and making them equal, that could be a different story.

Why do people even care to answer theo ?

- He is usefull. ok

- He is an asshat. ok

- He has some sort of strange fixation for Dr.House. ok

Just choose one of the above and live with it.

There is absolutely ZERO reason to be daggers at any point in this game.

If your guild is killing Illidan, there are plenty of good swords and fists that drop, though honestly your guild should have enough decent people to carry you to 1800 so you can get a S3 set of swords until you can get warglaives.

If your guild is still in T5/beginning of T6, you should have S2 swords or ToA.

If your guild isn't even at T5 yet, why the hell are you using daggers?! Get the badge fists or get S2 swords.

It's not rocket science, people.

Daggers rule... I'm not in T9 gear like all the other elite rogues. I play for fun and upgrade as much as I can. No one is denying that swords are better, but some of the dagger abilities are fun to do.

FUN? Remember that? Games are FUN?

Theo... chill out.

You're allowed to have fun. However, not when your fun ruins 24 other peoples fun.

If you want to Solo and maybe do 5-mans as Daggers/Muti/ShS/anything not combat then feel free. But when you get to raiding you need to be at the top of your game.

A RL example of this is if you need to write up lots of reports for your job. Sure you could write it in one shot and not go back to correct all the errors, people can read it still, so why bother? Because poor quality reports make other people's lives harder.

Its the same thing with raiding, if you only care about your own fun/comfort then you are making other people's lives harder. They have to do more DPS to make up for your lackluster DPS. If you were a hardcore raider than you wouldn't be brought to the raid for that reason. Similarly if you write bad reports your boss isn't going to give you a raise or even let you keep your job.

So tell me: Are you really so arrogant and think so highly of yourself that you are willing to say ***** you to the other 24 people in the group?