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Frost traps and kite them around it.
Without support, rogues will always be rough though.

If you trinket the first stun, I'm sprinting, then vanishing and waiting out your BW.

Also, with the activation time of traps, any decent rogue is going to CloS your Freezing Trap.

ShS is a 30 sec cooldown; you'd better learn how to trap-kite.

If you don't have the resilience to wait out a rogue's stun til KS, I suggest you get better gear.

Caster classes should be the easiest thing for you to kill. They have no armor, you should be able to slice right through them. There are occasional warlocks that have a ton of health that are almost impossible to kill.


EDIT: Sorry, I misread your post.

For rogues... Usually if you know that they are coming they don't stand a very good chance. That is if all of your CD's are up. Sometimes you do well, and other times you don't.

Edited, Jun 24th 2008 10:16am by BlackRevolution

Last night in AV, I saw a stealthed rogue.....sweet so I continue riding on by and loop around to get the jump on him. Give him a good ole arcane shot to the face.....turns out there were 3 stealthed rogues.

BM is pretty fail in PvP.

BM is not yet pretty fail in PVP.PvP is not only 2v2 arena bracket with a resto.And pvp for hunters is not only drain mana games.Is mutilate dead for rogues?
Still for burst dmg and nuke BM is better than MM

Yes it is, no it's not, yes it is, and yes it is.

BM is fail in PvP.

The only reason to use BM in PvP is if you're on a burst team (i.e. a team like my 5s) or if you're too poor to respec.

Edit: don't even bother arguing, please.

Edited, Jun 25th 2008 3:32am by Theophany

Learning how to play a MM build is better than sticking your thumb up your *** and playing a BM build and continuing to suck.

BM =/= MM when it comes to playing them. With MM you actually have to kite. BM all you do is chase and (phail at) killing the enemy.

Any half competent rogue would wait for the flare the proceed to rip you a new one, the best thing to do would be to send your pet after them if you can see them coming for you. Otherwise it's a touch and go situation.

1v1 with all CDs there's no way to kite a ShS rogue if you're MM. rogues are OP against us lets just face it.

Flares have been nuked to laughable status. I get better results out of "track hidden" which has always worked for crap.

We used to be able to deal with almost anything invisible when our flares actually had a decent range and lasted for a while. I loved being able to overlap them and keep them in cycle. Now they are just pathetic.

Aethien is correct, a well played MM hunter should out do any other spec in Arena. It has to do with your ability to influence other classes and specs, not just damage. BM, once you are done with BW, you and your pet are bascially out of serious tricks. If your pet is downed fast enough, you lose a nasty chunk of your dps. MM doesn't suffer from either issue. As long as the MM hunter has mana (they are mana pigs- I know) you can do an array of things even with stuff on CD. Even melee classes can be influenced by an MM hunter.

He's also correct about Frost over Freeze. The benefits are many to frost traps in Arena.

True enough, again Aethien has it, you can't be 'great' in any single spec across PvE to PvP but you can be successful in a semi-generic spec in the lower end PvE stuff. I still have not respec'd from my PvP spec and do pretty okay in Kara. We are up to Chess now and I was keeping damage pace with a very well geared, well experienced BM hunter. I even won out the damage meters on Curator. It makes me feel better about my skills. I definitely need to respec for BM and PvE with S4 here now and I think I'll do even better. We will likely not do Arena as much any more with all the ratings restrictions. It's just too hard to focus on PvP and PvE at the same time. Morris tells me he can't wait to be unfearable. I just called him a cowardly lion, he isn't speaking to me at the moment.

MM is a great spec for PvP and once you learn to do it, you can be competitive against any ranged class and while melee is harder, it is possible to win. Rogues will be nerfed, I just want our flares back to normal. They nerfed them too far.

Or more likely I don't 2v2. Since 2v2 wasn't brought up until dorogoddess's post 12 posts in, I didn't think I had to specifically comment about 2v2.

So, apparently, just because I feel they nerfed flares too far I'm an idiot that can't PvP and I suck?

I pointed out that rogues are getting nerfed which is apparently a correct statement according to you, so logically, your basis of my idiocy is just on that feeling about the flares. Interesting.

I'm kind of curious how you reconcile that with this statement of yours:



Maybe my opinion about the flares is "truly and completely" wrong and thus I deserve the flame. If I am the only one with this opinion, perhaps you are correct, should I apologize for daring to offer an opinion that differs from yours?