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#1 Jun 22 2008 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
Okay, so I'm merrily leveling up my shadow priest, but I fully intend to switch to some blend of holy/discipline later. My question is, when should this nebulous 'later' be? At 70 after getting something of a healing set? 60ish and healing early Outlands instances? Obviously, there's no one right way of doing things, but I'd like to get some sort of consensus going. My baby priest is only level 36 just yet, so I've a ways to go, but I'd just like to get an idea of what to expect. Is it viable to level primarily grouping post-60 as holy or discipline, or would I be better off just staying with the dark side until 70?

My thanks in advance for your opinions! If this is a stupid question, I apologize; there's reasons I tend to lurk rather than speaking out.
#2 Jun 23 2008 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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You can heal instances in Outlands as Shadow, but sadly it's rather difficult without a hefty healing set. Even then, it can be rather frustrating.

I never actually switched to a healing spec, but I did try and heal a couple of times post-60 as shadow. It worked okay, but it was deathly slow and tedious. Reduced mana costs from Holy tree would have been ridiculously helpful.

I'd say if you don't plan on doing too many instances, just stay shadow and stick to the dps role until 70, then switch. You might not get a lot of practice this way, but healing is pretty simple and can be quickly learned, especially priest healing.
#3 Jun 24 2008 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been wondering this myself. I like running instances, but am shadow spec for soloing. When does healing instances as a shadow priest become too hard?
#4 Jun 24 2008 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Zackary wrote:
...healing is pretty simple and can be quickly learned, especially priest healing.


I disagree. Priests have a multitude of healing options compared to other healing classes. Learning when best to use what spell takes time.

Tsarducci wrote:
I've been wondering this myself. I like running instances, but am shadow spec for soloing. When does healing instances as a shadow priest become too hard?


I'd say it's possible to heal every pre-70 instance as a Shadow build if you have a strong healing set. Of course, if you're choosing DPS quest rewards over healing quest rewards, your gear as well as your build will likely be subpar for healing.

You might be able to heal some of the 70 instances on normal with mostly Shadow talents, such as Coilfang Reservoir. Forget about Shattered Halls or Magister's Terrace, however, and don't even think about heroics.

You don't have to respec to run instances, however. Shadowpriest DPS is quite welcome in most parties and all raids. With Frozen Shadowweave you'll be slamming the damage meters all the way to T5 content
#5 Jun 24 2008 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess I should say, I WANT to be an endgame healer with this character. But it seems that as long as I maintain separate DPS (for soloing) and healing (for instances) gear, I should be able to level as shadow and heal in instances, sounds good to me.
#6 Jun 24 2008 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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emmitsvenson wrote:
Zackary wrote:
...healing is pretty simple and can be quickly learned, especially priest healing.


I disagree. Priests have a multitude of healing options compared to other healing classes. Learning when best to use what spell takes time.
Renew and Prayer of Mending are all pretty simple spells to understand. The rest is knowing when it's safe to Greater Heal as opposed to Flash Heal. All that takes is a little bit of practice.

If anything, having more healing options means it's even easier to learn than other classes. You have a lot of safety nets. The only downside is you may be inefficient at first due to overhealing, but most people will agree overhealing is better than underhealing. Kind of a pointless argument considering hardly anybody will care what you do as long as the tank doesn't die.

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You don't have to respec to run instances, however. Shadowpriest DPS is quite welcome in most parties and all raids. With Frozen Shadowweave you'll be slamming the damage meters all the way to T5 content
Agreed. I strongly recommend taking up Shadoweave Tailoring if you plan on staying shadow. I actually made it all the way to tier 6 content with Shadoweave. It's really difficult to replace it. Especially if you put good gems into it. I put reckless pyrestones into my set, and have yet to see anything drop that can rival it.

Maybe when we see more t6 tokens, yeah?
#7 Jun 25 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Zackary wrote:
Renew and Prayer of Mending are all pretty simple spells to understand. The rest is knowing when it's safe to Greater Heal as opposed to Flash Heal. All that takes is a little bit of practice...Kind of a pointless argument considering hardly anybody will care what you do as long as the tank doesn't die.


Again, I have to disagree. A Priest whose main decision making is "cast Flash Heal when he needs health fast, cast Greater Heal when he needs a whole lotta health" is basically a gimped Paladin. Paladin healing is simple and effective. Ours is either simple or effective. No one will care how we heal so long as the mobs go down, but unless we're healing at top efficiency, we could be the weak link in a failed run. None of use have every boss in the game on farm, after all; there are fights that challenge all of us to use our abilities to the upmost.

Prayer of Mending goes on the tank, no brains required, sure. You can learn tricks with it like the SWD bounce and saving it for phase changes, but it's so good that it's hard to use it badly.

Renew goes on the tank, no brains required, sure. Except that you don't want it to tick before there's aggro on all the mobs, so that it's generally best to wait to cast it until you see PoM bounce. Not tricky.

Greater Healing downranking and cancel-casting require experience. You have to know how fast your tank's health is likely to drop to know what to queue up, and you have to know how the 5-second rule works to benefit from cancel-casting, and you have to keep an eye out for Holy Concentration procs during those long fights so you can follow it with Inner Focus and get yourself a ton of mana. Cancel-casting is what lets you rely on the power and efficiency of Greater Heal instead of wasting mana on the inefficient, lower heal-per-second Flash Heal.

Speaking of mana--mana potion? Or Shadowfiend? You have to know the fight and you have to know the 5-second rule. When do you pop your trinkets? When should you use your DoTs? When should you let the DPS die?

Prayer of Healing is awesome for AOE damage in 5-mans, but you can't just cast it every time the party takes a hit or you'll be out of mana in no time. You have to know when to cast it and when to rely on your PoM bounces and Renews. If you're specced for Circle of Healing, you have to know when the 5-second rule makes Prayer of Healing a better alternative.

Then there are your panic buttons, Flash Heal and Power Word: Shield. When do you use which? Think fast, because you're needed on dispel duty. Who do you dispel first, or do you need to lay down Mass Dispel? Or maybe you should land a heal on the tank before you start dispelling. Or maybe you're on Shackle duty this fight. Or maybe you're healing with a Mind Controlled mob's spells.

Binding Heal. Such a wonderful spell, if you're fast on the button. Actually quite useful even if you haven't taken damage at phase switches if you have the mana, since it's so low threat. Fade's great too, if you're aware enough to use it before you get aggro and have a plan to get your threat right before it wears off.

None of this is brain surgery, but it's substantially harder than Shadow DPS, where you're basically watching Omen and your mana and following a rotation as well as the mechanics of the fight permit. That's what most DPS is, that and keeping up your CC and your buffs/debuffs. Healing and tanking are both tougher than DPS, though I'd say tanking's marginally harder than healing. And despite the added complications of judgements and totems and forms, Priest healing is more complex than Paladin or Shaman or Druid healing when you're trying your hardest.
#8 Jun 25 2008 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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#9 Jun 27 2008 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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None of this is brain surgery, but it's substantially harder than Shadow DPS, where you're basically watching Omen and your mana and following a rotation as well as the mechanics of the fight permit.

Fyi - there is no rotation. It's a matter of juggling 2 DoT's, 2 cooldowns, your own health, the damage the raid takes, your threat, your haste and it's effects on your rotation, and 2-3 mana cooldowns, which is harder than a lot of people think. Just look at the number of parses where a shadow priest actually maintains >90% DoT uptime and still uses Blast/Death on cooldown. The thing about DPS is that you can be sub-par and you don't wipe (well, at least until Brut); the thing about spriest DPS is that it's already expected that you'll be on bottom so it's even easier. Similar can be said about hand-woven 1.5:1 hunter rotations, Mutilate cycles for stubborn rogues, and the Malediction *****.
#10 Jun 27 2008 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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None of this is brain surgery, but it's substantially harder than Shadow DPS, where you're basically watching Omen and your mana and following a rotation as well as the mechanics of the fight permit.

Fyi - there is no rotation. It's a matter of juggling 2 DoT's, 2 cooldowns, your own health, the damage the raid takes, your threat, your haste and it's effects on your rotation, and 2-3 mana cooldowns, which is harder than a lot of people think. Just look at the number of parses where a shadow priest actually maintains >90% DoT uptime and still uses Blast/Death on cooldown. The thing about DPS is that you can be sub-par and you don't wipe (well, at least until Brut); the thing about spriest DPS is that it's already expected that you'll be on bottom so it's even easier. Similar can be said about hand-woven 1.5:1 hunter rotations, Mutilate cycles for stubborn rogues, and the Malediction *****.
#11 Jun 30 2008 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Getting back to the original question here, I think you have to judge for yourself when healing as shadow becomes too hard. The Outland instances are a step up from the Azeroth ones, and I think for many grouping in PuGs this is the point where it becomes too difficult. Soloing as holy is at times painful, you can do it, but it will be slower, grouping up with others worked well for me! Finding groups to heal while levelling as holy is relatively easy if healers are in demand as they often are, and you can level by mostly doing instances if thats what you'd prefer to do.

I'd agree with those who say that healing as a priest isn't easy, we have so many choices with healing spells and you do learn as you go along until what heal to use when becomes instinctive.
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