DeathfrostFollow

Anyone have any thoughts on this enchant as far as tanking goes? The main Protadin in my guild was thinking about getting it for tanking:



I don't know if that PPM is real or a number he pulled out of his ***, but assuming it's correct or pretty close, that sounds like a good trade off from 40 spell damage: slightly less threat, but also an increase in survivability.

For thrash I'd use a weapon with +40 SPLDMG, when you have a threat lead I switch to deathfrost.

It may have its uses, main one being its really cheap compared to +40spell dam. Also from reading on testing of Deathfrost it appears that the melee and spell ppm are completely independent. Melee acts as a straight 3-4 ppm(meaning they can refresh the debuff), while spells proc rate is aprox 50% but has a 20-30sec ICD(so aprox 2ppm). Also the debuff doesn't stack with thunderclapp or curse of tongues.
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Did a lil testing of my own: Deathfrost will not proc on any pally reflective dam. Tested ret aura, BoSanc, HS, shieldspike. However, the 150 frost dam is buffed by 1hand spec talents, so the dam is actually 157 per proc(236 crit dam) if 5/5 in 1h spec(which most of us tankadins are).

After 15min of some more testing, melee proc rate seems to be between 3-4 ppm(only aprox 600hit test, lower lvl mob, no parrys/dodges, etc), so maintaning a ppm of 7 seems unrealistic as well. Procs were highly variable as well, so in practice be looking at 3-8ppm during any given minute.



Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 5:07am by mahlerite

is it confirmed this effect works on bosses? if so its AWESOME, if not then no.

i would be very surprised if this worked on bosses.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 8:56am by KTurner

From limited testing 4ppm was just from melee, you're almost guaranteed another 2ppm if you're judging a damage seal every cooldown(*although i haven't tested this, and another post seems to indicate judgments were proccing at the same rate as melee ppm). So i would say at this point we're looking at 6ppm for pallys/enhance shammys. According to EJs the debuff was applied to all BT bosses, so presumably it effects them.



**after further testing melee + judgement of righteousness yielded no additional ppm so 4ppm(tests done on non undead/demons) seems to be about it for prot pallys, although reckoning should increase the ppm as its not a haste effect. Should see an increased proc rate against undead/demons while using exorcism.


***Doesn't seem to proc on avenger's shield or hammer of wrath.
Does proc at aprox 50% with exorcism and holy wrath(ICD of at least more than 15sec, hard to confirm anything beyond that as cds are 15sec and 60sec for those 2 spells).

Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 2:21pm by mahlerite

Well that info on its procs is quite disheartening =/ But, good to know before getting it. I think I might still see if I can acquire a second weapon and slap Deathfrost on it to try out. I agree, it would never be useful for multi-target tanking, but possibly on boss fights: build up a good threat lead, then swap out to your Deathfrost weapon.

Sure, someone else in the group/raid may have it, but it's no guarantee, so having this on a second weapon, if it proved to be worthwhile at all, wouldn't be a bad thing to do.

That would work, for those lucky enough to have it ...

Honestly though, how many people actually have Thunderfury? Of that number, how many are Paladins? If you were able to get it pre TBC, gratz to you, but it's just not worth the time and effort anymore imo. If someone without it started now trying to get it, I highly doubt they'd get it before Wrath came out, in which case even Thunderfury should be no more than a novelty piece anymore.