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#1 Jun 21 2008 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I just looked at S4, I wasn't to excited I just knew S4 was "better" than S3. I wowheaded (the new "googled it"?) the Paladin ret set. And there seems to be a very convincing arguement against S4


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~BEFORE YOU CONSIDER GETTING THIS SET~

+640 Armor: 7415(s3)--8055(s4) +23 Strength: 215(s3)--238(s4)+33 Stamina: 253(s3)--286(s4)+25 Intellect: 119(s3)--144(s4)+23 Melee Crit Rating: 152(s3)--175(s4)+15 Melee Hit Rating: 36(s3)--51(s4)+0 Resilence: 160(s3)--160(s4)PLEASE NOTE: The Vengeful/Brutal Changes are MINOR If you really think about it, Brutal costs a decent amount more Arena Points than Vengeful, but at the cost of only losing about...

640 armor (ABOUT 1% Reduction)

-23 Strengh (Only 40 AP and 1 Block)

-33 Stamina (About 320 Or 330 Health, Pallies wearing Plate and Being Able To Heal Can EASILY Negate or recover from only losing 320-330 health, which can be made up with GEMS)

-25 Intelect (240-250 Mana Won't help that much, sure i know it is alot, but if you really think about it, its about one holy light, and fights normally dont last so long that your mana supply will run out, just my opinion)

-23 Melle Crit Rating (SEEMS LIKE ALOT, IT'S not! Between Vengeful and Brutal, you would only lose about, if not less than 1% Crit Chance)

-15 Melle Hit Rating (About 1.35% less chance, not that much considering it can be made up with Gems.)

NO RESILIENCE CHANGE

Vengeful will cost ALOT less Arena points added up

So, if you're the type of person who likes spending those extra few weeks doing Arenas, struggling to keep the arena team AND personal rating high enough to get yourself your precious Brutal set, it's NOT worth your time or points,

NOTE: Since All teams will have their rating sent back to 1500, you will automatically be able to buy most of the Vengeful gear instantly, if ratings dont change before the patch, so, save your time and get vengeful, In my opinion it looks cooler, and the stat changes are small and can easily be made up with trinkets, rings, and gems.


His obvious mistake that I notice is that gems would be used for both sets so, its a null arguement, and rings too. But otherwise it doesn't seems like a huge change, I assume this sticks to alot of other classes, obviously the most "elite" players are jumping on S4, but then again - they have full S3. Your opinions? Take the brutal path (lolpun) or go for Veng.

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#2 Jun 21 2008 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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the differences between S1 and S2, S2 and S3 are similar i think. It's always been like that. but i'm getting the venge set anyway, it just looks soooo good. And i think the person who wrote that failed to realise that all brutal items have ratings requirements anyway, if you have the ratings you need to get brutal you have more than enough points to get it, and more likely than not you've already got at least 4/5 venge. his argument about the stats being made up by trinkets rings and necklaces is pretty dumb as well, seeing as you'd get those same trinkets rings and necklaces irregardless if you were in brutal or vengeful.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2008 12:05am by iceravenVI
#3 Jun 22 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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the quote is just an unwarranted rant. the item lvl from 146 to 158 is shown in the stat budgets. the combined stats of the full set is more than the equivalent of another piece of epic gear.

as for which to get S3 vs S4: if you are less than S3 you will not get the rating needed for the weapon or shoulders. so when you acheive 4/5 Veng you will be racking up arena pts for a)nothing or b)the S4 gear you coulda bought in the first place. so ya, S3 saves pts...but for what?

the comments from the wowhead OP are rediculous. someone wants more mp5, another wants armor pen, and some think +hit is keeping them from achieving pure pally pwnage. mp5 comes from your healer and shouldn't be a factor in 3min arenas unless you are spamming consecrates or being focused for mana drain. armor pen comes from your holy spells. +hit will free up some gem slots for more power.
#4 Jun 22 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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thats pretty typical for season to season gear. its not *huge* piece by piece, but it is still better.

if you have the rating, get the s4.
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