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Killing Paladins as BMFollow

#1 Jun 19 2008 at 11:48 PM Rating: Default
So I have noticed in the Arena 2v2's I have a very hard time teaching those pallys just whos boss (usually it ends up being them). I was wondering do other BM hunters have this problem and that I just need to learn to play my class, or do they just own us like the school yard bully owns scrawny white kids? I say this because I used to work them as MM, but then I switched over to BM and loved it except for those damned plate wearing healers. Alls I got to say is, damn I miss Scatter Shot.
#2 Jun 19 2008 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
Forgot to mention my 2v2 partner is another Hunter. They usually tend to just outlast us.
#3 Jun 20 2008 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah..... you kind of ran into the reason why BM fails in arena.



Anything that can survive your BW wins.
(well, almost anything)



You basically want to drain and control them as much as you can.
Slow them down with frost traps, keep your scoprid and viper sting on them as much as possible.
(if you dont use a scorpid it's more or less a lost match already as no halfway decent pala is going to leave Viper on him)

Basically, you want to attack their mana bars, not their healthbars.
Because when they are out of mana, they cant do crap anymore.

However, to do that you need a whole lot of control.
And control isnt BM's strongest point. I would advise you to try out (and practise a lot bevcause it's insanely much harder to play right) the 11/41/9 build.

You need to think of a lot more things, but once you get used to it you'll have much more control over your opponent.
#4 Jun 20 2008 at 12:50 AM Rating: Default
It would be nice if you tell us in what rating you fight.Because they are different tactics in defferent ratings.

I assume that you are 2 BM hunters that you burst dmg to 1 opponent and you kill him quick and easy with the the "win button"..right?And you have serious problems with holy palla cause of his buble and his OP healing over 1 person.Also a rating 1400-1800.

Anyway the trick is to force the palla to use buble before you use your "win button".After buble is over then you use "win button" to finish him. Just be close to each other,lay 2 freez trap to cc the melee(9/10 times holy pallas are with warriors) and start dps the palla.Use aimed shot and viper sting.If the palla is pve geared he will force to use bubble soon.if he is pvp and use the pillars you are lost.
#5 Jun 20 2008 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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dorogodess wrote:
It would be nice if you tell us in what rating you fight.Because they are different tactics in defferent ratings.

I assume that you are 2 BM hunters that you burst dmg to 1 opponent and you kill him quick and easy with the the "win button"..right?And you have serious problems with holy palla cause of his buble and his OP healing over 1 person.Also a rating 1400-1800.

Anyway the trick is to force the palla to use buble before you use your "win button".After buble is over then you use "win button" to finish him. Just be close to each other,lay 2 freez trap to cc the melee(9/10 times holy pallas are with warriors) and start dps the palla.Use aimed shot and viper sting.If the palla is pve geared he will force to use bubble soon.if he is pvp and use the pillars you are lost.
Someone got stuck in season 1... >.>
#6 Jun 20 2008 at 1:28 AM Rating: Default
xe xe i said 9/10 times are with warriors cause the other 1/10 its me..I love the 2v2 arena team with holy palla and BM hunter.With the BWT and blessing of freedom its so easy to kill rogues..

But in my experience when i see a holy palla in 2v2 are with warriors.Some times i see them with retri palla or feral but most of the times with warrior.Maybe is on my battleground only.:)
#7 Jun 20 2008 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Pallies don't 2s with warrs unless they suck.
#8 Jun 20 2008 at 5:43 AM Rating: Default
And not with hunters also..That why is said in what rating!The 1400-1800 rating is very very different to 1800+.In many ways.
The combos you see,the gear,the skill etc.
And holly pallas they combo with war/rog/lock so why you think they suck with warrior?still the best pallas in 2v2 are war/palla teams
#9 Jun 20 2008 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
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The best warriors are with druids then shamans.

Edited, Jun 20th 2008 10:35am by Yuppley
#10 Jun 20 2008 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Priests also work.
Simply because priests, like druids have a lot of offensive power.
So it's like you are fighting 1.5 dps and a healer instead of 1 dps and 1 healer.
#11 Jun 20 2008 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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I would think in 2v2 that a 2 hunter team would be better off with a BM and an MM hunter rather than 2 BM's.

If you can time a silence shot right, you can keep a Pally from bubbling. They generally do it if they are dropping fast at around 15-20% health. If they are going down more slowly they will wait until about 10% health. Get that silence in there and you can both DPS them down before they can get away with it. Also, it doesn't hurt if you can time an aimed shot down on them at around 25-30%. They will be looking for a decent heal as they pass 50% and won't get it off under fire until about 25-30%. Your aimed will cut that heal in half provided it arrives first. They will panic and go for bubble shortly after that. Fire that silence shot in there and they are toast. A nice multi or arcane does well in the gap between the aimed and silence. If you have an auto timed up- bonus damage!

BM can deal with most other classes well but especially locks and shadow priests. They chew them up faster than I do in MM. It's about the same on mages and other priests. I think BM is a very capable arena spec but it does have it's weak spots and BW on cool down is the biggest one... :(
#12 Jun 20 2008 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been MM pvp specced for a day now, and after 10 matches with a druid in 2v2 i can say that BM is nowhere near as good as MM.
The insane amount of control MM has is awesome, way way beyond what BW will do for you.

We had 1 match vs a better geared War/druid combo and the warrior spend maybe 30 seconds out of the ~6 minute match out of CC.
Between Traps, Cyclones and Scatters he didnt stand a chance.



It just took a while to get that damn druid down :P
#13 Jun 20 2008 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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MM is pretty awesome. Have you put most of your CC moves on focus macros Aethien?
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#14 Jun 20 2008 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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not yet... I'm still a pvp nub :P
#15 Jun 20 2008 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Mouseover Focus FTW
#16 Jun 20 2008 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
MM is pretty awesome. Have you put most of your CC moves on focus macros Aethien?



This idea intrigues me, elaborate please.
#17 Jun 20 2008 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Focus=You set a target to your focus, and any macros that get set to your focus will automatically bring it up. It is also useful in raids for targetting the MT or OT and such.

Also, Aethian, get Proximo, and name your pet after yourself/healer/other dps.
#18 Jun 20 2008 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I already have Proximo and Witchhunt.
And naming your pet after yourself or teammate is considered to be cheating.

edit: anyone got a link to those focus macro's?
I could try writing them myself but that'll be a long and painful proces :P

Edited, Jun 21st 2008 9:58am by Aethien
#19 Jun 21 2008 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Is this "cheating" a banable offense?
#20 Jun 21 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Default
I dunno, go check for yourself.[/i]

Edited, Jun 21st 2008 11:40am by NorthAI
#21 Jun 21 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Link not found. Also, you messed up on tags somehow.
#22 Jun 21 2008 at 7:41 AM Rating: Default
I know, I hit a { instead of [... You'll just have to live with the unclosed [i].
#23 Jun 21 2008 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXII? I thought you quit a long time ago.
#24 Jun 21 2008 at 7:45 AM Rating: Default
Never played it at all. I am just a Davite because he's actually a fair representation of how I would GM a game.
#25 Jun 22 2008 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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And naming your pet after yourself or teammate is considered to be cheating.


Actually, I believe this is not considered "cheating" anymore. One of the more well known Hunters (Either Therst or Megatf) were reported for doing this, but in their response they claimed it was for "RP purposes." Therefore, it isn't actually an offense.

(There was a thread on EJ a while back, too lazy to dig it up ^_^;)
#26 Jun 22 2008 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Everyone knows it has nothing to do with RP and it's purely and only to gain an advantage over your opponent in arena that shouldnt be there.
So even if it isnt cheating, I still wont do it because I consider it cheating.
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