I like prowling a lot, as it can be convenient to sneak past things, look at my quest log or regain a little health while in relative safety, but it can be difficult to time attacks properly. So, Ravage is pretty nifty but I notice a few things happening fairly often. Mobs have this pacing thing going on, as if they all have the fidgets and just when I sneak up on one, it will move. Or even though I am right on top of it (or so it seems) I can't hit it.
Moving in stealth is slow, so I target my creature and sneak up ever so slowly...my right hand clutching the mouse...moving soooo slow, my left hand poised above the 7 key (7 is my ravage key, lucky number 7), ready to smash down and blam.:
"You need to be behind your target'
"You are too far away" (range bug?)
It's frustrating. I guess my post is a bit gripe-y, but I am wondering if this is just me being a noob or do other people experience similar issues? Any tips or suggestions on how to attack better or should I just not even bother and keep prowl as a sneaky getting around mechanism only?
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I see that Pounce is available at level 36 ( I haven't had much time for my druid, still only level 35). I recall people mentioning Pounce as being a very good ability, but I'm hazy on the details.
I'm beginning to think I am just too clumsy to be effective at attacking from stealth.
Edited, Jun 18th 2008 5:11pm by Miskreant
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Yer pretty much a noob. :)
I usually spam my hotkey as I stealth up to my target. I assume that I will basically have to move on top of or through my target to be "in range." If yer a good enough spammer, ravage/pounce should always go off at the first possible moment without the enemy inadvertently detecting yer presence. And always stay behind mobs when yer stealthed, but I'm sure you've got that part figured out. Another pointer: the little number on the icon on yer hotbar (7 in your case) will turn from red to white when you become "in range." It pretty much just takes a lil gettin used to... happy huntin,
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I usually spam my hotkey as I stealth up to my target. I assume that I will basically have to move on top of or through my target to be "in range." If yer a good enough spammer, ravage/pounce should always go off at the first possible moment without the enemy inadvertently detecting yer presence. And always stay behind mobs when yer stealthed, but I'm sure you've got that part figured out. Another pointer: the little number on the icon on yer hotbar (7 in your case) will turn from red to white when you become "in range." It pretty much just takes a lil gettin used to... happy huntin,
-B
It may be a latency thing. You see the mob as bing right in front of you but really it's moved and you just haven't seen it yet.
As for Pounce, it's an amazing opener. Better than Ravage in almost every situation. You don't need to be behind the target, and it does a 3 second stun (4 if talented) and a DOT. That's 3/4 seconds of free attacks on your part, and because the mob can't move you can go behind and Shred while it's stunned.
As for Pounce, it's an amazing opener. Better than Ravage in almost every situation. You don't need to be behind the target, and it does a 3 second stun (4 if talented) and a DOT. That's 3/4 seconds of free attacks on your part, and because the mob can't move you can go behind and Shred while it's stunned.
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This is a problem I had when I started prowling. There is a notorious bug with cat druids being "out of range" for melee attacks even when they're virtually on top of mobs. Add to that mobs' tendency to pace and it becomes maddening.
This will all change when you get pounce in one level. You don't need to be behind the mob. I usually just run through the mob spamming my pounce button and it eventually hits, then I go into the rest of my attack sequence.
Plus, practice will make perfect. When I have a non-stunnable or non-bleedable mob I can usually still get a ravage off just from all those frustrating times trying to ravage a troll in STV. (Hmm, out of context that would sound....odd.) So keep at it.
This will all change when you get pounce in one level. You don't need to be behind the mob. I usually just run through the mob spamming my pounce button and it eventually hits, then I go into the rest of my attack sequence.
Plus, practice will make perfect. When I have a non-stunnable or non-bleedable mob I can usually still get a ravage off just from all those frustrating times trying to ravage a troll in STV. (Hmm, out of context that would sound....odd.) So keep at it.
Hmm, thanks you three for your responses. I think latency combined with the mob pacing is partly the problem here. I live on the East Coast and play on a server that is routed through Seattle and is Pacific time. I tend to have latency problems a lot, but friends got me on this server so... :/
Also, I do notice the little dot on the ability changing color indicating that I am close enough, but by that point the silly pacer has moved around so it's back is no longer such a convenient target. I will keep practicing my moves though and Pounce sounds like it will be a lot easier to use. It is Ravage having to be behind the target to attack that is irritating me, so if I can just manage to be in range I think I will do better.
I am so used to spell casting, I am far better at ranged attacks than up close melee combat, so I don't discount being a kitty druid noob. :P ...although I still have moonkin on the back burner for my druid, I do want to give feral a fair try.
Edited, Jun 18th 2008 7:17pm by Miskreant
Also, I do notice the little dot on the ability changing color indicating that I am close enough, but by that point the silly pacer has moved around so it's back is no longer such a convenient target. I will keep practicing my moves though and Pounce sounds like it will be a lot easier to use. It is Ravage having to be behind the target to attack that is irritating me, so if I can just manage to be in range I think I will do better.
I am so used to spell casting, I am far better at ranged attacks than up close melee combat, so I don't discount being a kitty druid noob. :P ...although I still have moonkin on the back burner for my druid, I do want to give feral a fair try.
Edited, Jun 18th 2008 7:17pm by Miskreant
First of all, nice to see you in the druid forum. Pull up a chair, we're all really nice here. Mostly. I am in charge of cookies, but I'll take a shot at answering your question too.
Make sure you have points in Feral Instinct. It makes stealth so much more bearable than if you were leveling, say, a combat rogue. You can get much closer to the mobs before they notice you.
As Tuskerdu mentioned, the cat form range bug is annoying, but believe it or not, you will get used to it and just adjust. Hang in there for one more level: Pounce will change everything. Not only is it much more forgiving, but a Pounce-Shred combo will leave the mob half to mostly dead before it can even turn around.
It is a different playstyle if you're used to casting (and heaven knows it was hard for me to adjust from my druid to alts; I still can't kite), but keep at it. Except maybe when farming, Pounce-Mangle-Shred will really become your Must opener. You will get the hang of it, and it'll be second nature before long.
Make sure you have points in Feral Instinct. It makes stealth so much more bearable than if you were leveling, say, a combat rogue. You can get much closer to the mobs before they notice you.
As Tuskerdu mentioned, the cat form range bug is annoying, but believe it or not, you will get used to it and just adjust. Hang in there for one more level: Pounce will change everything. Not only is it much more forgiving, but a Pounce-Shred combo will leave the mob half to mostly dead before it can even turn around.
It is a different playstyle if you're used to casting (and heaven knows it was hard for me to adjust from my druid to alts; I still can't kite), but keep at it. Except maybe when farming, Pounce-Mangle-Shred will really become your Must opener. You will get the hang of it, and it'll be second nature before long.
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An option is to be close enough to their paths that they sense you. They will then stop and look towards you, providing you the time to flank them and to attack from behind (just do not get too close to them, when flanking). Once you get a regular pattern of attack down, you will have a much better idea of the positioning that will not result in a range warning.
Since it really can't be overemphasized, I will voice my agreement with the previous posters that Pounce is one of, if not, the best cat moves (with Mangle and Maim also being high on my list).
Edited, Jun 18th 2008 11:55pm by wjcott
Since it really can't be overemphasized, I will voice my agreement with the previous posters that Pounce is one of, if not, the best cat moves (with Mangle and Maim also being high on my list).
Edited, Jun 18th 2008 11:55pm by wjcott
teacake wrote:
First of all, nice to see you in the druid forum. Pull up a chair, we're all really nice here. Mostly. I am in charge of cookies, but I'll take a shot at answering your question too.
Make sure you have points in Feral Instinct. It makes stealth so much more bearable than if you were leveling, say, a combat rogue. You can get much closer to the mobs before they notice you.
Make sure you have points in Feral Instinct. It makes stealth so much more bearable than if you were leveling, say, a combat rogue. You can get much closer to the mobs before they notice you.
*waves at teacake* :)
I like cookies! Thanks for pointing out about Feral Instinct, I do have all three points in that filled out...plus I think Nelfs get that bonus to stealth thing because of shadowmeld. (they'd better get something good to balance out those ridiculous looking ears ^_- ) Creatures even a little higher in level than me don't see me, so I think I just need to work on my timing.
Thanks again for the advice and answers everybody.
I have the same problems. I'm pretty sure its not a latency issue. I can watch the mobs pace around and DARN they just refuse to hold still! Every once in a while they walk right over me as I'm about to move and ruin my stealth. Same thing happens on my rogue. Its maddening.
Pounce is lovely, but doesn't completely fix this. I try to get behind my victim so that I can pounce and then immediately shred. (Since I mostly play solo, I can't count on someone else to keep the mobs facing in the other direction.)
I've run into the "not close enough" problem often - that one may be a glitch, but it might also be my nerves in getting close enough to land a decent blow.
Pounce is lovely, but doesn't completely fix this. I try to get behind my victim so that I can pounce and then immediately shred. (Since I mostly play solo, I can't count on someone else to keep the mobs facing in the other direction.)
I've run into the "not close enough" problem often - that one may be a glitch, but it might also be my nerves in getting close enough to land a decent blow.
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First of all, nice to see you in the druid forum. Pull up a chair, we're all really nice here. Mostly. I am in charge of cookies, but I'll take a shot at answering your question too.
the question is cookies. the answer is yes, and peanut butter choco-chip.
I've had an add-on called RangeRecolor installed forever...I thought the default UI does this now but in light of your problem I'm guessing that it does not, in which case I highly recommend the addon.
To get to the bloody point, RangeRecolor grays out attacks/spells in your action bars when you're out of range, mana, or energy. Then when they're "usable" they light up.
In context of your problem, it gives you an out-of-the-corner-of-your-eye cue as to whether or not you should bother mashing a given key, so you can march up to your target, essentially watch your action bar and wait for it to color in...then BLAMMO!
It's also great for pulling where you generally want to be just inside your casting range. Makes it so you don't have to cast/step-forward/cast/step-forward until it sticks.
To get to the bloody point, RangeRecolor grays out attacks/spells in your action bars when you're out of range, mana, or energy. Then when they're "usable" they light up.
In context of your problem, it gives you an out-of-the-corner-of-your-eye cue as to whether or not you should bother mashing a given key, so you can march up to your target, essentially watch your action bar and wait for it to color in...then BLAMMO!
It's also great for pulling where you generally want to be just inside your casting range. Makes it so you don't have to cast/step-forward/cast/step-forward until it sticks.
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yeah one of the reasons for me switching to moonkin is because I was tired off all the slow sneaking around i had to do. Pounce is amazing...you're so close so you really need to hurry up and get this move. Once you do all of your complaints will pretty much disappear. Also try different interface settings it might help you out. shred and pounce are the Q and A keys for me so it's very easy to spam then and continue to position myself using esdf as my movement keys rather than wasd. Try bongos.
Edited, Jun 19th 2008 11:40pm by suhongy
Edited, Jun 19th 2008 11:40pm by suhongy
Quor wrote:
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First of all, nice to see you in the druid forum. Pull up a chair, we're all really nice here. Mostly. I am in charge of cookies, but I'll take a shot at answering your question too.
the question is cookies. the answer is yes, and peanut butter choco-chip.
Hello Dollies, IMO I like using pecans instead of walnuts though. :)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has experienced difficulty with this issue, thanks for making me feel less of a goof. I've been working on my fishing, first aid and cooking quests, but I did manage to hit level 36 and actually 2 bubbles away from 37 last night.
Yes, Pounce is definitely less irritating and easier for me to use. Although I get impatient with stealthing sometimes that I use feral faerie fire now to just pull mobs to me... I guess I am a bit lazy.
Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 12:13pm by Miskreant
Miskreant wrote:
Although I get impatient with stealthing sometimes that I use feral faerie fire now to just pull mobs to me... I guess I am a bit lazy.
Not at all. This is a very common way to pull without having to bother shifting.
As for the other great matter, it is my duty to inform you all that, as it is summer now, I've shifted over to pie.
PIE!?!?
I wvu pie! (>^^)><)
Oh wait I had a point in replying!
The default UI does show range, once you have a target selected the numbers on your main action bar that are light grey (white?) will turn red if the target moves out of range. Also if you use the extra action bars and do not have them assigned, they will have a light grey dot in the upper right hand corner that like the numbers turn red when out of range. I'm pretty sure the dots only show up if you have something actively targeted.
Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 2:56pm by GryphonStalker
I wvu pie! (>^^)><)
Oh wait I had a point in replying!
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I've had an add-on called RangeRecolor installed forever...I thought the default UI does this now but in light of your problem I'm guessing that it does not, in which case I highly recommend the addon.
The default UI does show range, once you have a target selected the numbers on your main action bar that are light grey (white?) will turn red if the target moves out of range. Also if you use the extra action bars and do not have them assigned, they will have a light grey dot in the upper right hand corner that like the numbers turn red when out of range. I'm pretty sure the dots only show up if you have something actively targeted.
Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 2:56pm by GryphonStalker
GryphonStalker, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
PIE!?!?
I wvu pie! (>^^)><)
Oh wait I had a point in replying!
I wvu pie! (>^^)><)
Oh wait I had a point in replying!
I sincerely hope you aren't implying that pie is not in itself a perfectly valid reason to post.
PIE is perfectly valid reason to post! Only I saw JeeBar's post first, so my brain bookmarked it as something to reply too as I read the rest of the thread. As I clicked to reply.. pie.. pie.. PIE.. PIE!!! Damn you and your viral text!
Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 3:25pm by GryphonStalker
Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 3:25pm by GryphonStalker
Well that's better.
GryphonStalker, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
The default UI does show range, once you have a target selected the numbers on your main action bar that are light grey (white?) will turn red if the target moves out of range. Also if you use the extra action bars and do not have them assigned, they will have a light grey dot in the upper right hand corner that like the numbers turn red when out of range. I'm pretty sure the dots only show up if you have something actively targeted.
I only use the default UI *blush* and I do notice what you are describing. I was mostly having trouble because my target would all of a sudden turn around so their back wasn't facing me anymore. The dots are useful to see if I am in range but can't always keep up with the pacing around of the mobs. Why, it makes me want to kill them even more when they pace around like that!
teacake wrote:
As for the other great matter, it is my duty to inform you all that, as it is summer now, I've shifted over to pie.
Wait, what??! Cookies are seasonal for druids? I'm devastated now, I hope you're happy...
*wink*
Edited, Jun 23rd 2008 5:40pm by Miskreant
I believe pie is a perfectly good reason to post on this thread... :o
Along with the mention of Feral Faerie Fire, make sure you're using that immediately after your opening pounce (if you have a clean shot at the mob and don't have to pull with FFF). Pounce > FFF > Shred > Shred is the optimum opener at that level and will continue to be until level 50 (Pounce > FFF > Mangle > Shred) and then 61 (Pounce > FFF > Mangle > Shred > possible OOC Shred).
The talent that gives you up to +15% threat in bear form and decreased chance to be detected while prowling is handy. I'm no expert on theorycraft, but from what I can determine, your chance to be detected while Prowling is based largely on your level relative to the mob's level. (Ever go to an area with stealthed mobs when you're way above their level? They might as well not even be stealthed.) I'm guessing for every point you put into that particular talent, your Prowl becomes that of a druid one level higher than you. (ie. if you're level 40 and you have three points in that talent, your Prowl will function as though you're level 43). Since I've found that questing for xp goes much, much faster when the mobs are 1-3 levels below you, that means that you can can get very close to a pacing mob without being detected so that when they stop, getting into position is quick and easy.
Also, the talent that increases your speed in cat form can be very helpful. By the time you have max rank Prowl + that talent, your outdoor Prowl speed is the same as your normal caster-form walking speed. Very handy. Even before you have max rank Prowl, being able to move faster while stealthed than you could without the talents is a big boost.
Also, the talent that increases your speed in cat form can be very helpful. By the time you have max rank Prowl + that talent, your outdoor Prowl speed is the same as your normal caster-form walking speed. Very handy. Even before you have max rank Prowl, being able to move faster while stealthed than you could without the talents is a big boost.
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