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I haven't played Destruction, so I wouldn't be much help. However, I love an instant corruption, but if you're not throwing on 3-5 DoTs, why bother? I'd much rather go deep in Affliction and then put 10 pts in Destro to spam Shadow Bolts. Hmm...

Looks like he is going for Improved Life Tap, Sacrifice, and increased Shadow Bolt damage. I can see where he is coming from.

My questions to you are:

What do you think he is missing that you would like to see him have?

Is there something in his preformance that is lacking?

Finally, I think the biggest question you need to ask yourself is: Are you paying the 14$ a month for his account? If not, then I suggest you stop worrying about him. Maybe post your talent build and ask your respective class if they can make any suggestions.

I mean last time I checked this was all about having fun, if you are no longer having a good time because of someone else's spec... well you gotta think about what that means to you.

Edit: Formatting

Edited, Jun 20th 2008 9:27am by Moonkissed

Ok first, ask him why he is using that spec. If he replies "for dps" then you can abuse him, but if he actually responds with a semi smart answer then just let him be. Now for the spec itself, there very little use I can think for the spec only reduced threat and mana efficiency (imp lifetap and catalysm). But lets be serious, UA will outperform that spec in both DPS and threat since almost anything with ruin will be causing more threat, and for mana efficiency....he's a lock, lifetap.

Now for spec editting (I'll try to keep the basic sense of the spec just improve on it).

Demo Tree: Take out the points in Unholy Power. He's just buffing a pet he will be killing. Put 1 of them into Fel Dom, 2 into Master Summoner, and the other is just a filler, put it wherever. Also why put 22 points in demo when your only going for DS? He's just wasting a point. Take one out and put it into the destro tree.

Destro Tree: Catalysm is probably one of the worst talents in the destro tree, its only use is a filler talent to get into S&F. Also Pyroclasm? SoC is a much better AoE than hellfire and rain of fire, and the stun is pretty useless. Also take out 1 point from Imp Immolate, Emberstone will increase immolates dmg more because it affects both the initial hit and DoT. So now we have 9 points to play with. Move 1 into shadow burn (another filler but at least you can use it on a mob that's gonna die), 5 into emberstone or 3 into nether protection/2 in emberstone (depends on if you wanna spam incinerate or not), then the last 3 in backlash.

End spec should look something like this, http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IV0bZdxczIbzZxx0tr0pGh




Your damage spot when compared to others doesn't mean anything. If you topped dps as sl/sl, then the rest of the dps in your raid was trash. If you got 5th in destro (You listed 5 as something bad, im guessing you run 10 mans, it's more of a middle spot) then either you are underperforming or the people in your raid outgear/are better than you.



I hate that response. Ok yes he is paying to play the game, he should be able to do whatever he wants. Well then, don't raid. You are affecting 9 or even 24 other people who also pay 14$ a month. They want to do well in raids and expect others to do well also which can obvoiusly be affected by that one member if he has a pretty trash spec. You are basically comparing that guys 14$ a month to the raids 126$ a month or 336$ a month.

I guess I didnt make the "5th" spot very clear. When you mention 5th to most people, it will come as a middle spot since a majority of the raids are 25 mans. So when I mentioned 5th as a mid spot, it was in referance to 25 man raids.

Just gotta say sorry, was being a little harsh, been a really bad friday so far.

It started last night when I found outt he shop my truck was at changed thier hours, so I couldn't pick my truck up last night. Had to walk 3 miles at 6 AM to pick it up to get to work on time, in the rain. Then the power was out at work, so turned out I didn't really have to rush to get here, however, work I could not do was piling up on me. So a kinda stressful morning.

Your advice was good though, however, this is Kara we're talking about here, and in reality, if his DPS is on par with the rest of his group, really let him do what he wants until it stops working.

hmmm... It looks like a variant on the old (pre-TBC) MD/ruin spec. MD/ruin used to be the only competition for SM/ruin for level 60 raiding. Well outmoded now, though.

If you think about it, the only worthwhile Destruction talent that the spec misses out on is Shadow and Flame and perhaps Soul Leech (puts less strain on healers). As Tugnus said, a bit of playing around with the points (ei. Moving points from useless to useful talents) and you got yourself something thats more or less decent.

Otherwise using something like the build Tugnus suggested (chuck points from backlash to something else imo), he just misses out on:

Shadow and Flame - Boosts Bolt damage by quite a nice amount. If he is performing fine on dps however, putting less strain on healers by fewer lifetaps might be worth it.

And depending on Point distribution:
Conflagrate - Been proven by other posters to put out less dps than shadowbolt, unless during movement.
Backlash - You get one-shotted by most mobs in a raid, so this is never going to be used. 3% crit is definitely good for dps.
Soul Leech - Just puts a little less strain on healers by making the lock need less healing.


In the end, if he like the spec and understands that its not going to produce the best dps possible and wants to put less strain on helears, just let him do what he likes.

Edit: I knew there was +crit talent in there somewhere lower down, never remember which one though >.>

Edited, Jun 22nd 2008 12:21am by germa