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#1 Jun 17 2008 at 3:25 AM Rating: Decent
Hey all.

I'm currently playing my lvl 21 Undead Mage.
According to talents people suggested me, fire is the best to level with.
With 1600 mana at lvl 21, i can barely kill 2 monsters with full mana.
Am i using the wrong spells, or the wrong talents?
Could anybody give me a good spell usage/build?

Thanks.
#2 Jun 17 2008 at 5:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Well, a hell of a lot more is needed than just "I have X mana, I'm fire."

What is your build, what spells are you using?

And yes, while Fire is good for leveling, Frost has better overall mana efficiency. A link to your armory would be nice too; early on you want to stack intellect.
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#3 Jun 17 2008 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
I respecced to frost, it seems to work better, but it's still oom very fast.
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#4 Jun 17 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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That looks like fine gear for your level. Mages do drink a lot, especially at lower levels. What's your spell rotation? If you're doing aoes like blizzard or arcane explosion that'll make you go oom in a hurry. Use rank 1 frost nova to conserve mana (though that may be the only rank available to you currently). Otherwise you should be fine and your efficiency should improve as you gain more spells and talents.
#5 Jun 18 2008 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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1. This might be a dump point - Are you casting Arcane Intellect on yourself?
2. You can lvl in any spec - Fire, Frost, or Arcane
2a. What ever spec you choose - it's safe to say INSTANT Spells cost a lot of mana for the Damage done. (aka - they are not efficient)
3. Spell rotation should be: Main Nuke (Frostbolt, Fireball, or Arc. Missles), Main nuke, Frost Nova, Move away, Main nuke
3a. You can edit it for your personal play style, but if you're throwing a lot of instant spells in there, you're not being efficient.
4. At your lvl, a wand is still a viable weapon. Use it to save mana
5. What lvl mobs are you taking on? I recommend green or yellow. There is no reason to kill Orange or Red if you can avoid it.
#6 Jun 19 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
I use Arcane Intellect, got 1960 mana buffed.

I sometimes use Fire Blast, but usually Frostbolt x2, Frost Nova, run, frostbolt, and if they are not dead by then Fire Blast.
#7 Jun 19 2008 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
Dikzakje wrote:
I use Arcane Intellect, got 1960 mana buffed.

I sometimes use Fire Blast, but usually Frostbolt x2, Frost Nova, run, frostbolt, and if they are not dead by then Fire Blast.


that looks pretty good right now.

To echo what Borsuck said, get a good wand and keep it up to date with you. It will do a good amount of dps and will not be interrupted like spells when yo uget a mob in your face. I would normally cast a couple of spells and then wand to start regenerating mana.
#8 Jun 19 2008 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
I agree with the want idea. I use my wand all the time to perserve mana. I am a 36 fire mage and this is what i do. Pyroblast--Fireball--Scorch--Fire Blast--Frost Nova--Then Wand them to death, but if, after forst nova, they still have a lot of health i will Fire Blast or Arcane Explosion. I can usually keill about three mobs before i have ot drink, somtimes more.
#9 Jun 20 2008 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
also notice your bracers only stat on them is +7 fire dmg. This means they are practically useless while you are specced frost. I would look for bracers with some +int and +stam. Check the AH, you can probably pick some up for less than 1g. Even small amounts of stats make a huge difference at low levels.
#10 Jun 20 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Default
First, let me tell you that you made a huge mistake by switching to frost at this lvl. Frost prior to shatter + ice shards is not mana efficient. Using frost bolt at your lvl can only do 1 thing slow the mob, but will not save you any mana.

To be mana effiecient follow this build in that order and if you wanna switch to frost don't do so before you have lvl 40 or pretty close.

5 pts imp. FB
5 pts ignite
1 pt pyro
2 pts flame throwing
2 pts incineration
3 pts mater elements
2 pts burning soul
1 pt blast wave
3 pts critical mass
1 pt optional in fire tree
5 pts firepower
then take combustion or convert to frost.
With this build, keep maximum possible distance between you and the mob at the begining of the fight (pyroblast + flame throwing rox at that). Start by casting a pyroblast, fireball then fireblast. You can do all that before you get hit, your oponent should be almost dead, frost nova and wand him to death. If you are fighting 2, sheep the one u are not attacking after frost nova, finish the first and stay as far as you can before u cast a pyroblast on the sheeped one.

Good luck
#11 Jun 21 2008 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks, but it is pretty useless to give a lvl 23 a lvl 40 build.

And i got new bracers, just need level up for 'em.

And my Azure Silk gives some nice frost bonus.
#12 Jun 21 2008 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
The purpose of this build is to reduce the amount of spells you cast to kill a mob. It should work well at lvl 20 when you have pyro, and like i was saying in my first post, the build will be enhanced once you have flame throwing. And when you get mater of elements you will get an additional mana bonus.

I suggest you do some math on how many frost bolts u need to kill a mob with lets say 600hp and check then figure out the mana cost. Then, do the same with my fire build and see for yourself how much mana this would save you at your current lvl. When you do so, don't forget that with frost build you will use fireblast once, so subtract the dmg of that spell first before you see how many frost bolts you will need. As for the fire build you will cast pyro and fireblast, so subtract the dmg of that first, also don't forget to subtract a percentage of the ignite bonus (not the full bonus because it will not occur in every fight).

Mathematically, you will kill stuff faster and save more mana; however, you will lack the control utilities that frost build gives, but that is not the issue on this thread.
#13 Jun 30 2008 at 12:32 AM Rating: Default
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I went Frost from the start and i did wonder at the time if i would be drinking constantly but now at level 36 i am just getting the benefit of the Manna saving Talents ( yes i know i went for damage talents first ) i still need to drink every few kills (it also helps to have full Manna against any surprises ) , and that's something i have got used to doing . but it has its benefits in that while drinking i can check out the next mob and see where i need to be which is better than moving into the next attack without checking first.

As you get higher in level there are Manna gems , and the magic 'Evocation spell' to replace manna fast so it does get easier .

Others have put all the main ideas here and they are right , Stay at distance , Use freeze trap , blink or run away and restart attack , if you use instants they will burn your Manna , also with Manna Shield up that will burn Manna if you get hit .

I went for spell Damage gear so have lost a lot of Manna but still have 3000 Manna , and from around level 33 Frost does seem to be the best way for me to go forward.

I have seen Mages levelling in all 3 Talent Trees , they all are viable but of course each to their own destiny , Fire has the lead at lower levels , Frost in mid 30,s and Arcane i have not yet tried out , but i have seen it is still viable ( i still love the graphics on the Arcane missiles ) not sure how it compares against the others though but one day i will try it out.
#14 Jul 01 2008 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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If you roll mage, be prepared to drink. I should have said this earlier. I'm lvl 70 and at my lvl there are a few nice options. I got a trinket that gives me 200 mana for each kill - which is great when AOE farming. However, at ANY level - you will not be a paladin. You can't end a fight, full health full mana, and ready to go.

I'm in the process of farming fire motes. I can kill 8 - 10 elementals - mostly 3 - 4 shot'ing them. I still need to drink water every few minutes.

If you are NOT 3 - 4 shot'ing things - you are fighting the wrong mobs. A lot of 'it' is putting yourself in the right position to win.

Example - My paly was destroying stuff in Tarnasis (spell?) suddenly I bump into the shadow mages (basically a warlock with a lock's pet). My mage took them down by sheeping the mage (Lock) and then nuking the demon first - taking him down in 2 shots usually --- then Turning on the mage (Warlock) and taking him down.. So - I attacked the demon and... Dead Paly. I did this 3 times, before trying to kill the caster first. Guess what - I wasn't putting myself in a good situation to win. I now kill the caster first on my paly. Works every time.
#15 Jul 01 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Default
I have a level 70 mana hound I mean mage. I am glad food and water more so water is free. I started out a hybrid frost and fire figuring in bg's some have frost buffs others fire so I can do damage either way. Then someone said I should respec frost I did the only thing I really liked was the water elemental. Then someone said I should spec fire I did and didn't enjoy it at all. So now I am back to a squishey hybrid. The only thing I can say is good luck make sure you have your mana stones lots of water and mana pots. and a good wand. dps is awesome but you run out of mana to quick. Go intellect. what I do which is probably the wrong thing is I go frost bolt fire ball arcane missles fire blast arcane again depending on how low my mana is frost nova and wand. it works for me but not for all. good luck .
#16 Jul 03 2008 at 2:54 PM Rating: Default
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However, at ANY level - you will not be a paladin. You can't end a fight, full health full mana, and ready to go.


Lmao! You obviously haven't played a ret pally kill 2-3 mobs sit down and drink

Now if your talking about prot you still have to eat and drink

Edited, Jul 3rd 2008 6:56pm by Addickt
#17 Jul 03 2008 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I've always considered drinking (hell) a lot to be normal. I'm at 34 at the moment and I need to drink every 2 mobs, maybe 3 if I take it slow and wand a bit.

I just don't mind though, always thought this is why we can summon our drinks rather than having to buy them. And seeing as I blow up most monsters in a matter of seconds, it all evens out.
#18 Jul 03 2008 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Every thread about this I always say the same thing. Get any gear with "of the eagle" in the name. That gear type alone will help you out while leveling.
#19 Jul 03 2008 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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'Addickt' wrote:

Lmao! You obviously haven't played a ret pally kill 2-3 mobs sit down and drink

Now if your talking about prot you still have to eat and drink


Then you fail as a prot pally, or you pulled a 13the and 14th mob and should have stuck at 12. Seriously though, I don't think I've seen my hp/mana bar drop below half on my prot pally alt in quite some time unless things go wonky (I pull too many, didn't see casters, w/e).
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