Stunlocking questionFollow

Back again with more questions. My rogue is lvl 35 combat swords (also bringing up a lvl 15 undead rogue as well). After getting murdered by rogues doing my dailies on my lock and priest I decided I really need to learn how to do this.

Went out to STV. Having the following issues when I try to get mobs(humanoids) from behind:

1. They turn as I'm sneaking up on them from behind. Pulls me into combat before I can cheap shot or sap them.
Mobs are my level or a bit lower. So tried using distract. They still would turn 99% of the time before I could hit them first.

My questions are: Does not having any points into sub make this harder to do?
Is it possible my character is auto-attacking when in range?
Are there mobs where you just cannot cheap shot from the rear?
Is the position you attack from have to be directly behind them, or can you be slightly off to the side?
Does this work differently on players than mobs?
Is there anything else that might be contributing to this up to and including the fact that I suck?

The mobs I was trying this on are the ones in the Kurzon compound, casters and warrior types. Basically what I ended up with was waiting for CP generation then using gouge or kidney shot, which wasn't what I was aiming for.

Thanks in advance.

Generally you shouldn't need any points in sub to help with opening from stealth in a combat build. Just need practice.


If you're right-clicking a mob as you're stealthing up behind it, maybe.


None that I now of in that level range. Bosses are usually immune to the stun but you'd be using Garrote on them anyway.


Basically directly behind.


It can but the basic tactic is the same. Distract does not effect players.


Just practice. You'll figure it out eventually. Remember that Distract has a timer on it. Wait too long and the mob will go back to whatever they were doing before. Be sure to Distract them so that they are looking away from your position.

Happy hunting.

You can sap from in front of the person. It is just not recommended. I do it alot in bgs, but I am level 70, and have dirty tricks. Also, distract does work on actual players as well if they are out of combat. It doesn't hold them looking that direction for 8 seconds or however long it is for npc's, but it will make them stop and look. If you are going to have to fight a mob that will be tough if you don't get the cheap shot in on. You should distract them and if they resist it wait the 30 seconds if its that big of a deal. If you continue seeing this as a problem then maybe when you hit 40 and get all the way down the combat tree you should put 5 points in master of deception. Good luck with the stunlocking.

The green targeting circle will distract mobs to look at the center of it. The edge of the circle is the effective range.

Hope that makes sense.

Distract is waste of time (waiting on CD) and energy while leveling/grinding. A few points in sub talents wouldn't hurt, but really it just doesn't matter when you're leveling.

Protip bind stealth to something (I use 'F') since you will hit it about a billion times leveling your rogue and clicking that little button gets old, fast.

Dont worry too much if mobs pull you out of stealth just mash your SS button. Cheapshot helps, a few combo points and less time they can damage you, but in the long run it just doesn't matter. Just focus on killing tons of mobs a minute, then try to beat that record, grind fast as you can, keybind everything and carry 60 bandages.

I get this, but since I already have 3 level 70 characters I thought I would take some more time learning how to really play a melee class well. Hence my question. LOL, I hate it when my clothies are stunlocked to death. I really didn't want to wait until 70 to L2play rogue.

So, thanks for all the replys and advice. Plus I don't ever want to run into Theo and die w/o doing any damage.

No it's not.

And rarely do people run into me and don't do any damage, it's just rare that they get me down.

Usually they have to zerg me or have to be at my gear level, though if I bring one of my pocket healers into a BG, I die maybe once in 5-7 BGs.

1. No. Sub makes it a bit easier, but you should really just try to learn it without Master of Deception.
There are hardly any mobs that stand still in the game, and the best way to use stealth is to sneak up on mobs (or players) when their back is towards you. So the trick is to see how the mob patrols, and then sneak up on them when you know you have a 'window' (of time) in which his back is turned towards you.
2. As said, only if you right click to select them.
3. You can cheap shot from anywhere (but like was said, sneaking up behind them is a better idea). If a mob is immune, you'll notice soon enough *snicker*
4. Depends a bit on the mob but you don't have to be straight behind them, it's a sort of cone-like area. For cheap shot though, you can CS from all sides, and while the CS stun is active, it also doesn't matter (they can't parry/dodge/etc. anything while stunned)
5. Stealth detection for players works differently (being behind the player means they can't detect you, unless they shoot a flare behind them or the likes), attack range and what is defined as 'behind' works roughly the same.
6. Like I said in 1), perhaps your approach needs a bit of work :)

On the Kurzen guys, be ready to kick the casters in the nuts, because they can heal themselves. So kick and KS are your friend here if don't want that ^^

PS: Distract works on players, and is good to give you a second or two to gain up on mounted people.
It can also make them paranoid.

Haha, pretty f.cking devilish. Very roguish. Love it.

Rate up for appropriately beeing an ***.

:)

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That is pretty funny. I personally enjoy distracting Vann into rogues that are dumb enough to stealth behind him while waiting on the North and South Bunkers. I know they are on my team, but I find it hilarious and so do my friends that I BG with.

I don't see how you get that done. 90% of the people use num lock (auto run) when walking... throwing a distract instantly sets their character still and makes them face the the position of your distract. Either you have to be REALLY paying no attention to walk off the bridge at that point, or your target is just messing up.

It does when you're using auto walk, and that's what most people seem to be doing along empty bridges (mainly the one in AV).

So did I?

Told my buddy to walk past me using auto-walk, dropped a distract behind him and he stood rooted on the spot. When he went past me by pushing (and holding) the forward (W) button he turned, stopped for a split second and then automatically continued running (without him releasing and holding the W key).

Does stealth make a difference perhaps? I was unstealthed all the while.