I can't help sometimes, but to go back and look at some people I've tried to help, but (because they don't listen) give up. Maybe I'm a bad teacher, maybe some people just can't be helped.
Here's one that improved his gear since I last saw him (still laughable, howerver). We were both in our teens. I am now level 57. He is 41:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shandris&n=Nightwaker
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I can't help sometimes, but to go back and look at some people I've tried to help, but (because they don't listen) give up. Maybe I'm a bad teacher, maybe some people just can't be helped.
Here's one that improved his gear since I last saw him (still laughable, howerver). We were both in our teens. I am now level 57. He is 41:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shandris&n=Nightwaker
Please tell me I'm not alone here. Feel free to post any profiles or stories.
Here's one that improved his gear since I last saw him (still laughable, howerver). We were both in our teens. I am now level 57. He is 41:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shandris&n=Nightwaker
Please tell me I'm not alone here. Feel free to post any profiles or stories.
"Helped him"? How? By "suggesting" that his armor is laughable? or stating "UR a n00b with silly Rmor!!1!LOLZ!!"?
So you are 57 and he is 41. Who (other than you) gives a damn? People level at their own pace. Perhaps you should stop trying to be elitist.
I get this a lot on both my toons. The lock doesn't level fast, because she ONLY plays when my co-worker plays, which isn't often. So, laugh away, at least I have friends. :)
With my mage, eh, I have a couple of people who are trying to push me to level fast so I can get to Outland, and they try the "I'm way past you now," or "I'm beating you" tactics, and neither one work, because "I'm enjoying the content, and learning my class as well as I can" wins. :)
Trill
With my mage, eh, I have a couple of people who are trying to push me to level fast so I can get to Outland, and they try the "I'm way past you now," or "I'm beating you" tactics, and neither one work, because "I'm enjoying the content, and learning my class as well as I can" wins. :)
Trill
no offence, but before level 70, gear doesn't matter. talents don't matter.. crafts don't matter.. nothing matters till you hit 70... the game STARTS at 70. obviously though you're playing just every once in awhile as light recreation / enjoying the lore of the game and enjoying it all... though once you do hit 70 you'll then realised that everything you've learnt up until then, every piece of gear, every talent spec... it's all meant nothing. at 70 is when you really begin to learn about your class and the world of warcraft
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but before level 70, gear doesn't matter. talents don't matter.. crafts don't matter.. nothing matters till you hit 70... the game STARTS at 70.
Do you think Jen, then that when the level cap hits 80 it'll be the same. End game 70 will be replaced by end game 80?
I am wondering if it is even worth the effort to run my alts on the way to 70 thru anything anymore, or just get to 70 and wait. Discuss.
100% for certain, end-game 70 will stop and end-game 80 (pvp/pve/raiding) will become the thing to do. but until that comes out, people will carry on doing lvl.70 end-game as it's still worthwhile till we all need ot level up again. also due to the additional 10 talent points, all talent specs will change again and everything you've learnt up till now about specs will become worthless due to all the new combinations... arguably the same for spell rotations due to new talents and new abilities... so yeah.. the moment lvl.80 comes out, with the exception of the skill at the class you've gained from playing... everything else becomes worthless.
This thread makes me want them to always increase the level cap. The 3 days after release when everything is new must be like hide and go seek orgasms...
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no offence, but before level 70, gear doesn't matter. talents don't matter.. crafts don't matter.. nothing matters till you hit 70... the game STARTS at 70.
No offense, but while this may be true for you that does not make it true for everyone.
I'd say it's a NEW game at 70 for sure. But to discount the leveling game is somewhat elitist and to say that nothing matters while leveling is contrary to learning the class. To excel at playing your class you should definitely strive to allocate talents and choose gear appropriately as you level so that when you do hit 70 you're not at a complete loss. There are plenty of 70 noobs out there. I should know, I've pugged with most of them. ;)
To the OP: Meh. Give someone a fish Vs. Teach them to fish... I usually point people to where I looked up info rather than just tell them "spec like this" etc... Each player is ultimately responsible for their own knowledge and performance. This is especially true at raiding level.
you may think that, but here's a quick run down of what you pick up between 0 and 70
1. gear
well between 0 and 70 there's only 1 item of gear you would want to keep AND still use at 70, and that's the abyssal shard warlock specific trinket. a free shard/VW every 30minutes is pretty good. there may be one or two stray trinkets or rings from the absolute end-game parts of raiding that are worthwhile in certain situations too, but otherwise all can be chucked (or banked for sentimental value like all my T1-T2/AQ gear)
2. knowledge of the class abilities and tactics
well yeah, you learn what the class can do but the way you use spells for leveling and even 5mans while leveling is very different to how you would come level 70 in pvp and group pve (not even end-game, just normal 5mans with maybe a bit of 10mans). almost all pvp before 42 is pointless in terms of preparing yourself for lvl.70 pvp due to lack of important abilities, and pvp before lvl.70 is almost as pointless due to the introduction of resiliance and that not all classes have all available abilities that you need to get used too.
3. knowledge of class talents
this is the only thing that is really beneficial... though in the vast majorit of most cases, people miss-understand the best talents and ignore them due to thinking only of themselves due to 70 levels of near pure solo leveling and then they over-exagerate the importance of other talents for the same reason. also their understanding of how to spec is limited to leveling only.. and for most people they don't think ahead and just put in talent points as they go, so not really very beneficial.
overall... you really don't gain anything in the leveling up process... you're better off getting it over and done with and then enjoying the wonders of level 70 :)
1. gear
well between 0 and 70 there's only 1 item of gear you would want to keep AND still use at 70, and that's the abyssal shard warlock specific trinket. a free shard/VW every 30minutes is pretty good. there may be one or two stray trinkets or rings from the absolute end-game parts of raiding that are worthwhile in certain situations too, but otherwise all can be chucked (or banked for sentimental value like all my T1-T2/AQ gear)
2. knowledge of the class abilities and tactics
well yeah, you learn what the class can do but the way you use spells for leveling and even 5mans while leveling is very different to how you would come level 70 in pvp and group pve (not even end-game, just normal 5mans with maybe a bit of 10mans). almost all pvp before 42 is pointless in terms of preparing yourself for lvl.70 pvp due to lack of important abilities, and pvp before lvl.70 is almost as pointless due to the introduction of resiliance and that not all classes have all available abilities that you need to get used too.
3. knowledge of class talents
this is the only thing that is really beneficial... though in the vast majorit of most cases, people miss-understand the best talents and ignore them due to thinking only of themselves due to 70 levels of near pure solo leveling and then they over-exagerate the importance of other talents for the same reason. also their understanding of how to spec is limited to leveling only.. and for most people they don't think ahead and just put in talent points as they go, so not really very beneficial.
overall... you really don't gain anything in the leveling up process... you're better off getting it over and done with and then enjoying the wonders of level 70 :)
"overall... you really don't gain anything in the leveling up process... you're better off getting it over and done with and then enjoying the wonders of level 70 :)"
Correct, and that is precisely what I spent my time doing after teaching him the basics of the game. It was both of our first major toons (I stopped at 49 on a warrior, and leveled a hunter and priest to 29 PvP on horde side). Unfortunately, the tag-alongs got old, and no matter how many times I recommended Allakhazam and/or an add-on, I kept getting "Can you just run me through this quest?" again, and again, and again, and again.
Sorry, didn't try to sound like an elitist, because (as you know) this is my first real run at 70. I'll get the expansion once I hit 58 here shortly and then continue down the dark path...
Correct, and that is precisely what I spent my time doing after teaching him the basics of the game. It was both of our first major toons (I stopped at 49 on a warrior, and leveled a hunter and priest to 29 PvP on horde side). Unfortunately, the tag-alongs got old, and no matter how many times I recommended Allakhazam and/or an add-on, I kept getting "Can you just run me through this quest?" again, and again, and again, and again.
Sorry, didn't try to sound like an elitist, because (as you know) this is my first real run at 70. I'll get the expansion once I hit 58 here shortly and then continue down the dark path...
According to Jeff Kaplan Items Wipe won´t be as severe as in The Burning Crusade.
He said that tier 6 gear will be able to compete to at least lvl 80.
Will try to find the interview with him and link it.
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http://www.worldofwar.net/wowtv/media/263/Jeff_Kaplan_Video_Interview_May_2008/
have to correct myself, apparently end game gear will carry you along way, but not into lvl 80.
Edited, Jun 17th 2008 2:44pm by Oakenwrath
He said that tier 6 gear will be able to compete to at least lvl 80.
Will try to find the interview with him and link it.
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http://www.worldofwar.net/wowtv/media/263/Jeff_Kaplan_Video_Interview_May_2008/
have to correct myself, apparently end game gear will carry you along way, but not into lvl 80.
Edited, Jun 17th 2008 2:44pm by Oakenwrath
same as T3 for when 60-70 happened. T3 was good till 68-70 region.. same as a few specific epics from BWL, AQ40 and pvp weapons (pvp mh was good for a while, I used mishun'dares (forgot how spelt) from BWL till I was 68-69 and T2 legs lasted till about 66-67).
the biggest difference between tbc and wotlk is that there won't be as large a difference in terms of stats (stamina and int primarily I believe). the major difference is meant to be the talents and abilities allowing for more complex encounters
the biggest difference between tbc and wotlk is that there won't be as large a difference in terms of stats (stamina and int primarily I believe). the major difference is meant to be the talents and abilities allowing for more complex encounters
Interesting posts, guys.
In any case, a warlock using +spirit, +attack power, +agility and +frost damage (???) evidently misses something about the warlock class.
come lvl.80 we get mana-regen... so umm.. spirit is good them :S lol
"In any case, a warlock using +spirit, +attack power, +agility and +frost damage (???) evidently misses something about the warlock class."
Which I try to explain. I refer to this site all of the time, having used it to quest with great success, but this member's constant reply was "Can you just help me with this quest?"
Which I try to explain. I refer to this site all of the time, having used it to quest with great success, but this member's constant reply was "Can you just help me with this quest?"
there is NO relevant reason for a warlock to use +str/agi/ap/melee crit/melee haste/frost/arcane/nature/holy (i think that covers it all...) 100% no reason EVER other than "ZOMG i got bored, look at me, i managed to get to 1000ap unbuffed as a warlock!!!!?!?! lolz"
Still calling bs on this:
overall... you really don't gain anything in the leveling up process... you're better off getting it over and done with and then enjoying the wonders of level 70 :)
I dunno why you play the game, but I play it for enjoyment and relaxation. If that's not "gaining anything," for you, sorry to hear that you waste so much time, but for me, it's absolutely everything. If, for some reason, I was forced to only be able to get to 69, then re-roll, I'd still play. My life/sanity, and others' lives/sanity depend on recreational time, believe it or not.
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overall... you really don't gain anything in the leveling up process... you're better off getting it over and done with and then enjoying the wonders of level 70 :)
I dunno why you play the game, but I play it for enjoyment and relaxation. If that's not "gaining anything," for you, sorry to hear that you waste so much time, but for me, it's absolutely everything. If, for some reason, I was forced to only be able to get to 69, then re-roll, I'd still play. My life/sanity, and others' lives/sanity depend on recreational time, believe it or not.
The game up to 70 doesn't matter eh? Then why does everyone make fun of people who buy characters off e-bay? According to what you said, that's the most enjoyable path to take.
people make fun of ebayers because most of them don't bother to research their class properly and so never learn how to play it properly... and tbh if they had of leveled it themselves they probably would be just as bad. but really, almost everything before 70 is pointless. the only things that're beneficial are:
1. your character looks how you want
2. you learn what each class ability does (in theory)... but still you're unlikely to learn how to use them properly for pve/pvp at 70 seeing how different it is to leveling.
1. your character looks how you want
2. you learn what each class ability does (in theory)... but still you're unlikely to learn how to use them properly for pve/pvp at 70 seeing how different it is to leveling.
For some peeps like me we enjoy leveling toons. I find level 70 sorta boring compared to leveling. Getting that next talent point or spell. Where as at 70 the only thing you have to gain is gear and gold. My 70 warrior is still sorta new at being a 70 but I still can't keep myself from starting a lock.
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