Hello folks,
I'm sure several eyes have rolled, many long sighs likely hissed as well at the notion of such a novice thread. But alas, I'm new to blacksmithing and the concept of end-game-content simply eludes me as I have not played long enough to have been to it. Yet.
But now I'm coming up quickly on 250 blacksmithing. And my Paladin is nearing 50. I switch around between Holy, Prot and Ret. Basically just what I feel like at the moment. Mostly I like to solo, crush instances, and party play whatever role is needed
I'm curious though. Specializing blacksmithing into armorsmith or weaponsmith, am I just going to end up having a maxed out skill that is essentially never used? I look at the armors I can craft in the future and they just don't have the zing that lots of the rather easy to get dungeon sets have. The weapons I can craft in the future have some really nice stats and skins, but then again, I'm not aware of all the possibilities of the end-game weapon drops & items. So far, weapon crafting looks awesome to me because the end-game weapons I can produce are really nice--though only I can use them and naturally, I'm not the big DPS of the party. So my weaponsmithing is sort of moot. Too bad. Armorsmithing however just seems like a really big waste of my time since I'll likely find/obtain dungeon sets more easily and they're about the same and much better down the road as it is.
So my question is: why even be a blacksmith if for nothing more than a shield spike?
I look forward to any responses. I'd love to hear experience about blacksmithing as a Paladin and whether or not it was useful and how long it remained useful before it became just a way to fix shield spikes for people and nothing more. Did you drop blacksmithing for something else later? Do you make all your own items? Please share your wisdom!
Very best, :)
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I'm a blacksmith on my 70 prot pally. Took blacksmithing simply because it sounded like the optimal profession for essentially a night, and I could also make my own weapons and armor....yes it was my first toon and had no idea what I was doing.
So I've planned on going swordsmith speciality simply because I like some of the end swords that you can make if you want to spend years farming the mats and thousands of gold to get the nether vortex's.
But in the end the shield spikes that you can make are nice for pretty much soloing and maybe a little aoe grinding on some of the low end areas, but once you hit outlands the shield spike is nice, but if you plan on tanking anything you'll want a shield with the good ol' stamina enchants.
So I've planned on going swordsmith speciality simply because I like some of the end swords that you can make if you want to spend years farming the mats and thousands of gold to get the nether vortex's.
But in the end the shield spikes that you can make are nice for pretty much soloing and maybe a little aoe grinding on some of the low end areas, but once you hit outlands the shield spike is nice, but if you plan on tanking anything you'll want a shield with the good ol' stamina enchants.
The best thing for my Paly about blacksmithing are the BoP craftable boots for tanking. Also since I choose armorsmithing (long before BC was announced) I have an amazing Ret chestpiece, arguably the best until Tier 6 content at least.
Other than that, I don't get much use out of my smithing. One thing that does excite me though is that blacksmiths are supposed to get the ability to socket certain items come the WotLK expansion, so my hope is that smithing will again be a very viable profession. It is now to a degree as there are some very good resist items and pre-Kara tanking items that are made with smithing, but they are more situational and/or easily replaceable with other items. There's not much in demand from smithing like there is from Alchemy, Enchanting, etc..
Other than that, I don't get much use out of my smithing. One thing that does excite me though is that blacksmiths are supposed to get the ability to socket certain items come the WotLK expansion, so my hope is that smithing will again be a very viable profession. It is now to a degree as there are some very good resist items and pre-Kara tanking items that are made with smithing, but they are more situational and/or easily replaceable with other items. There's not much in demand from smithing like there is from Alchemy, Enchanting, etc..
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One thing that does excite me though is that blacksmiths are supposed to get the ability to socket certain items come the WotLK expansion
Now forgive the stupid comment, but blacksmiths will now act as sort of a second rate JC in the socketing sense? Where did you get this little gem?
I do agree tho that the boots are sweet, currently at 374 and waiting to get a few more primals to hit 375 and the coveted tanking boots.
I'd probably steer away from armorsmithing unless you have a really strong guild that will take a ret pally into raids, otherwise just stay with weaponsmithing and just specialize in the weapon that you seem to use the most.
I do agree also that blacksmithing really needs to be basically redone in the WOTLK because it really is basically a money sink. The only way that I make a little money from blacksmithing is just sending anything I make to my enchanting alt and DE it for the dust/essences
I wouldn't go blacksmithinging unless your planning on going Ret end game especially if its your first/main character on wow. With WotLK coming out your taking a gamble that blacksmithing is going to be buffed.
The amount of gold you sink into it as a profession is quite significant compared to other professions. Really your only selling a few items like the shield spikes and entry level 70 tanking, healing and dps gear. Other professions that provide you with buffs or item enhancements will make you more money (eg alchemy, leatherworking, enchanting, tailoring) as they are not as dependant as blacksmithing is on warriors and paladins.
At the moment BSing is more Ret friendly than the other specs with the chest piece Maul spoke of and 2h mace Stormherald.
I dont believe there is any nice weapons for a holy / prot pally (+healing / +spell damage) in Blacksmithing especially when you can get some really nice ones with SSO rep now. Its more the boots and chestpiece that you will find of any use to a tankadin.
The shield spikes may be a nice little money maker but nowadays you can put those on your own shield without being a Blacksmith so no extra tips when you sell them either.
Edited, Jun 16th 2008 11:05am by arthoriuss
The amount of gold you sink into it as a profession is quite significant compared to other professions. Really your only selling a few items like the shield spikes and entry level 70 tanking, healing and dps gear. Other professions that provide you with buffs or item enhancements will make you more money (eg alchemy, leatherworking, enchanting, tailoring) as they are not as dependant as blacksmithing is on warriors and paladins.
At the moment BSing is more Ret friendly than the other specs with the chest piece Maul spoke of and 2h mace Stormherald.
I dont believe there is any nice weapons for a holy / prot pally (+healing / +spell damage) in Blacksmithing especially when you can get some really nice ones with SSO rep now. Its more the boots and chestpiece that you will find of any use to a tankadin.
The shield spikes may be a nice little money maker but nowadays you can put those on your own shield without being a Blacksmith so no extra tips when you sell them either.
Edited, Jun 16th 2008 11:05am by arthoriuss
with the ease of pvp gear and the numbness of grinding badge gear, Blizz has made blacksmithing meaningless. anything grand that you can make from BS can easily be side-graded from a couple Kara runs or a week of BGs. blacksmithing lacks any sort of unique sets or "goodies" that most of the other professions share.
until the profession is overhauled, i recommend something else. if you must stick with it...armorsmithing.
until the profession is overhauled, i recommend something else. if you must stick with it...armorsmithing.
trollover wrote:
Now forgive the stupid comment, but blacksmiths will now act as sort of a second rate JC in the socketing sense? Where did you get this little gem?
Nah, not stupid, and you're forgiven :) I didn't believe it the first time someone said it in a Vent conversation, but here's the link:
http://wotlk.wikidot.com/professions
For blacksmithing the only thing listed so far is:
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Socket One-Handed Weapon - Permanently adds a socket to a one-handed weapon
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Heya,
Thanks for the advice/info so far all.
I'm not really in a guild that is doing raids and big instance runs. It's more or less just a group of friends who play casually. I took mining as my first profession so naturally blacksmithing seemed like a good 2nd profession (though after digging up a lot of gems, seems like I could have gone with jewel crafting too). As it is, I've found very little reason to use my blacksmithing other than to basically take the skill higher. I'm using two items (armor wise) from the actual skill (mithril based stuff at my level) which is actually better than the quest items I've gotten up to this point, but I know soon that will change when I start getting more into instances.
Mainly I'd like to be able to stop through some instances later on solo, like the prot grind perhaps, just to generate gold for mounts and other such things, but also just for the fun of smashing bunches of mobs all at once. So that's what I'm more thinking of in terms of will black smithing help me at all.
If black smithing is basically dead, I have no problem likely switching to another profession. Mining seems like a good thing to keep. Perhaps I could go into jewel crafting (if that is useful at all?) or engineering (seems like there are things to actually use with that).
If not, I could also just keep blacksmithing as a way to fuel my Warlock's enchant skill with some disenchantable material since it's really easy to make lower DE'able blacksmith items and the mats come very easy as a miner just walking around.
Very best, :)
Thanks for the advice/info so far all.
I'm not really in a guild that is doing raids and big instance runs. It's more or less just a group of friends who play casually. I took mining as my first profession so naturally blacksmithing seemed like a good 2nd profession (though after digging up a lot of gems, seems like I could have gone with jewel crafting too). As it is, I've found very little reason to use my blacksmithing other than to basically take the skill higher. I'm using two items (armor wise) from the actual skill (mithril based stuff at my level) which is actually better than the quest items I've gotten up to this point, but I know soon that will change when I start getting more into instances.
Mainly I'd like to be able to stop through some instances later on solo, like the prot grind perhaps, just to generate gold for mounts and other such things, but also just for the fun of smashing bunches of mobs all at once. So that's what I'm more thinking of in terms of will black smithing help me at all.
If black smithing is basically dead, I have no problem likely switching to another profession. Mining seems like a good thing to keep. Perhaps I could go into jewel crafting (if that is useful at all?) or engineering (seems like there are things to actually use with that).
If not, I could also just keep blacksmithing as a way to fuel my Warlock's enchant skill with some disenchantable material since it's really easy to make lower DE'able blacksmith items and the mats come very easy as a miner just walking around.
Very best, :)
Since your already level 50 its really a toss up betwween some good trinkets with both jewelcrafting and engineering.
You get some really nice goggles whatever spec you plan on going end game with engineering, but lose on the money making side as most items created can only be used by engineers.
Jewelcrafting on the other hand will give you some handy trinkets that are also bop but the profession has more potential to make you money.
The trinkets are nowhere near as useful as the goggles but i believe they are easily obtainable, not too sure about the goggles (kinda like BSing where you need the recipe and then have to farm alot of mats). The 350 skill set of goggles recipes are obtainable from the trainer which can take you all the way through to raiding level. The 375 skill level goggles require somewhat more work to get but are the equivilent to about T5-6 level head pieces.
If I could go back I would choose engineering now but you really should be looking to the future. Level 70 is going to become the new level 60 and with it the gear too..
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Name Level Materials Description
Scalp (Rank 1) ?? Skinning Knife Attempts to skin the target alive, causing them to bleed for 72 damage over 6 sec.
Scalp (Rank 1) ?? Skinning Knife Attempts to skin the target alive, causing them to bleed for 72 damage over 6 sec.
I lol'd. Should do extra damage to Taurens.
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Name Level Materials Description
Miner's Revenge (Rank 1) ?? Mining Pick Hurls your pick axe at the target, inflicted 45 to 55 physical damage, ignoring any armor. 30 yard range, 5 minute cooldown.
Miner's Revenge (Rank 1) ?? Mining Pick Hurls your pick axe at the target, inflicted 45 to 55 physical damage, ignoring any armor. 30 yard range, 5 minute cooldown.
Edited, Jun 16th 2008 6:53pm by hybrand
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