rogue group usefulnessFollow

Well its come to my attention that rogues seem to left out of raid spots more often now that I'm getting into a t5-t6ish range. We do insane dps, thats not the problem, unless theres another dps thats far more geared then me I am always at first or second on dmg meters depending if we bring the only lock that can out dps me. But I asked alot of my guild officers from mine and some other guilds and they said that rogues are good for dps and kick, but they are fairly useless past that from a group perspective, I normally counter that by saying thats what we're meant to do.

But I realised lately that other then a distract rotation in hyjal I do with another rogue to slow bosses and ive saved the tank and other people from trash thats gone bad with stuns more times then I can count(noone ever notices these sort of things though), they're right.. We don't increase raid dps at all unless we go as hemo swords and then the group ends up losing dps anyway, and except from some things you get from prof's (vanish cable rez, drums, ect) thats about it.

What do you guys think of some sort of ability that increases group dps by enough that its actually worth it to bring more then 2-3 rogues a run. I was thinking something like on critical hit has a say 50% chance to increase group crit or ap by x amount, put it on a 2 min cd, have it last 15-20 seconds.

Not saying it would happen or that they would bother, just thought I'd throw the idea out there while I was on this forum and was thinking about it.

edited for grammar

Edited, Jun 15th 2008 8:56am by XxwrathofcarbunclexX

Yea thats what I tell every single person that says that rogues arent group viable.. They seem detirmined that becuase we keep our dps to ourselves a hunter would be better becuase he increases ap by 125....... -_-.

And if you look at my gear, I really should not be topping damage meters in anything past gruuls, but the only people that can are a t5 geared lock and a rogue in 2 peices of t6 we occasionally pull from another guild.

A marksman hunter is not going to outdamage a good rogue.

The only hunter that has a prayer is a BM hunter.

Man, I get rated down for trying to get people to tank so we have less competition for dps. Some people just don't think.

so if you have a good tank rogues should be kidney shotting? you sure about that because i always thought a rogue was meant to be dpsing while a mob was being tanked

Edited, Jun 24th 2008 7:56am by pythonesc

times when you use KS:
1) mob turns to you and you need to buy a second for the war to pick up aggro (dead rogue = no dps)
2) your cat jumped on the keyboard
3) your mage/priest/etc pulled threat on something and your trying to stun it to give THEM time to live.
4) and the few rare times a mob blows up and needs to be stunned before its killed

oh yea, i didnt include improved KS from mutilate tree.....i think the cat on the keyboard is a better reason to use KS than to be mutilate spec in a raid. (sorry mut'ers)

basically so much stuff is stun immune that this is a waste of CP you can use for more damaging finishers. keep your rupture/snd rotation up.

Edited, Jun 24th 2008 10:31am by EnthalpyTheBurninator

I stun those patrolling robots on MgT Heroic when we have a Paladin healing because they always let me die otherwise.

Also stun that Ethereal guy when he goes all AEing.

It's useful in a few places in heroics, but yeah, not many.

um... with 9 classes currently in the game, exactly how many rogues would you like to see in a 25 man raid group?

I'm still baffled at the person that said to KS with the tank.

I mean, sure, it's okay every now and then to KS a mob on the tank if it's, say, a pally tank and the mob is going to run away or whatever... but a war tank needs to be hit. That's the golden rule.

I refuse to take the time and change my settings though to see the sub-d posts. I'm too lazy.

If you're running into Void Reaver enraging, you have far more serious problems than the lack of presence of a few Rogues. You should be able to kill him for the first time with empty raid slots.

Like 5 of them.

Actually though, one of the more useful Rogue class features once you get into later tier dungeons (See: Sunwell) isn't their damage. It's still very high, but depending upon your Legendary luck it won't always exceed other classes by enough to compensate for the lack of buffing (BM hunters can be the biggest example of this). What actually helps more is the ability to CLoS out of the nasty crap bosses throw out that otherwise needs a ton of healing.

Well, no. =p Leo's enrage timer is still incredibly trivial, the only hard part is maintaining enough DPS during the 15% portion, which mostly doesn't include melee. If you're beating casters on that fight something is incredibly wrong.

Trust me when I say you've got plenty of gear; more so than when we did it in Tier 4 with two pieces of T5 gear at the most and it was still S1. =p



No, Muti sucks balls.