Alrighty, heres the problem
I've been leveling up my first real character (had 1-2 lower ones before I decided on this on). A priest, I'm now 51 and loving it, and can't wait till 70 and beyond
I heal a lot of instances, thats what i play for. Its fun, and when I get into a good group its a blast
I get into a group with this mage. Our tank was not specced perfectly for tanking, but everyone (including me) was staying under his aggro and all was well
Except for the mage. He kept pulling aggro every single fight against his target (Which was never the one the tank was fighting either) and frequently more because of him early AOEing
I'd blow tons of mana keeping him alive, and finally I had enough and told him to watch his damned aggro and stop pulling, especially when the rest of the group was doing just fine
After a few more pulls he gets kicked by the group leader and we continue the instance without him (perfectly fine and i have no more /oom experiences, no wipes or nothing)
A week later I am in the same group as him (great...) and we are getting ready to run the sunken temple
We get into a discussion about him pulling aggro again. He says "Its not my fault I pass the tank in aggro", then he says 'Is this your highest character?' I say, "Yes'
And he responds, 'Well I have been in 25 man raids, maybe you should listen'
After a short discussion after this he /leaves and ignores me
....
Just looking for clarification, but I was correct here right?
Or am I susposed to blow my entire mana bar flash healing and power word shielding the mage?
I've gotten nothing but compliments on my healing ability, and he never once attacked that, he just attacked me for trying to tell him to stop pulling aggro
/sigh
EDIT: That reminded me of one other story. Healing ZF, with a decent group, except for one guy (rogue...)
Early on he was a little obnoxious, but no biggie.
Part way in I look at his health and see it dropping in the middle of a fight. I go to heal and get 'Out of Range'
I panic, start frantically looking for him and hes nowhere in the vicinity of the rest of the group
I look at the minimap and hes in the next area, not with the rest of the group
He says "HEALZ! WTF?"
...
He didn't recieve another heal the rest of the instance and at the end I gave him a piece of my mind/leave/ignore
He then admitted to another member who asked (these were HIS words) that he was 14 and his main was a level 70 Night Elf Hunter (got whispered to me by another of the pug members who loved my exit :) )
I almost cried
Edited, Jun 13th 2008 4:22pm by Wyzer
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One of the most important jobs a DPS has in groups/raids is to watch his threat and ensure it doesn't exceed the tanks. Period.
As he was the only one doing it I'll assume the tank was doing an ok job at generating threat.
For the record, if a DPS class pulls agro I'll attempt to heal them if they're doing something about having agro (iceblock, feign death, running to the tank etc) and if I have time (in heroic for example you may not, you've not got there so don't worry about it), then they'll get a gentle snd polite reminder to keep an eye on their threat. If they continue to do so then I'll let them die, repeatedly if necessary til they get the message. By level 70 they've usually (hopefully) got it into their heads though.
At the level of content you're talking about healing everyone is possible but continually healing someone who pulls agro will often cause wipes cos when the DPS dies despite your best heals you can guess who their next target is!
I'm going to just step to the other side for a sec, did the mage significantly outlevel the tank? Whether he did or didn't if he was also a raider he should know to watch his threat this is especially important where slightly off-spec levelling builds are concerned.
Anyway don't worry about it, he fails,
As he was the only one doing it I'll assume the tank was doing an ok job at generating threat.
For the record, if a DPS class pulls agro I'll attempt to heal them if they're doing something about having agro (iceblock, feign death, running to the tank etc) and if I have time (in heroic for example you may not, you've not got there so don't worry about it), then they'll get a gentle snd polite reminder to keep an eye on their threat. If they continue to do so then I'll let them die, repeatedly if necessary til they get the message. By level 70 they've usually (hopefully) got it into their heads though.
At the level of content you're talking about healing everyone is possible but continually healing someone who pulls agro will often cause wipes cos when the DPS dies despite your best heals you can guess who their next target is!
I'm going to just step to the other side for a sec, did the mage significantly outlevel the tank? Whether he did or didn't if he was also a raider he should know to watch his threat this is especially important where slightly off-spec levelling builds are concerned.
Anyway don't worry about it, he fails,
I don't really recall the level difference... but I am pretty sure everyone was within 5 levels of each other
We were running Scarlet monestary at the time by the way. Our tank was either fury or arms. Not the prefered spec, but we couldn't find a tank and decided to give it a go. Normally I always pull aggro first if anyone does, but me and the other 2 guys stayed below his aggro perfectly and never pulled
I did attempt to heal him. Many times
But he wears cloth, our tank wears plate. I did give him many 'friendly' reminders, I was very polite about it, always telling him the simple explanations asking kindly
But my group got sick of him and /booted him without a word about it
The conversation started a week later with me explaining why he got kicked in the first place
During these runs, I could go large pulls healing the tank (And occasional heals on other party members) and end with 3/4 mana with no problems at all. But with him being the one I had to heal, I would go OOM really quickly with no healing breaks for mana regen and we had many near wipes
When he got booted I never got below half mana (on the bosses even)
What really got me I think as saying I was wrong because I had never raided before, when I was certain he was mistaken...
Thanks for the response, but how can someone who has raided not understand this?
Edited, Jun 13th 2008 5:25pm by Wyzer
We were running Scarlet monestary at the time by the way. Our tank was either fury or arms. Not the prefered spec, but we couldn't find a tank and decided to give it a go. Normally I always pull aggro first if anyone does, but me and the other 2 guys stayed below his aggro perfectly and never pulled
I did attempt to heal him. Many times
But he wears cloth, our tank wears plate. I did give him many 'friendly' reminders, I was very polite about it, always telling him the simple explanations asking kindly
But my group got sick of him and /booted him without a word about it
The conversation started a week later with me explaining why he got kicked in the first place
During these runs, I could go large pulls healing the tank (And occasional heals on other party members) and end with 3/4 mana with no problems at all. But with him being the one I had to heal, I would go OOM really quickly with no healing breaks for mana regen and we had many near wipes
When he got booted I never got below half mana (on the bosses even)
What really got me I think as saying I was wrong because I had never raided before, when I was certain he was mistaken...
Thanks for the response, but how can someone who has raided not understand this?
Edited, Jun 13th 2008 5:25pm by Wyzer
Wyzer wrote:
What really got me I think as saying I was wrong because I had never raided before, when I was certain he was mistaken...
Thanks for the response, but how can someone who has raided not understand this?
Thanks for the response, but how can someone who has raided not understand this?
There are two possibilities that spring immediately to mind:
1) He was lying and he didn't have a high level raider.
2) He got complacent thinking because it isn't a high level dungeon/raid content that he could just do as he wished.
Either way DPS threat < Tank threat isn't a tough concept! :)
Edited, Jun 13th 2008 5:20pm by cococj
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If the dps class kept on pulling aggro from the tank and wasn't
watching there aggro then it is not your fault. As the previous
poster mentioned, in this case that you mentioned the dps class
that is causing you to do extra healing on them can cause mana issues
and if the other player dies the mobs will usually aggro on to
the healer.
watching there aggro then it is not your fault. As the previous
poster mentioned, in this case that you mentioned the dps class
that is causing you to do extra healing on them can cause mana issues
and if the other player dies the mobs will usually aggro on to
the healer.
Scholar
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This is going to sound really callous and mean, but I feel somewhat justified in saying it.
If, in an instance, a dpser pulls aggro multiple times and doesn't try to do anything about it, you not only should remain focused on the tank, you should LET SAID DPS PERSON DIE. INTENTIONALLY.
Firstly if you try and heal him/her, you'll likely build up a lot of additional threat yourself, increasing your chances of dying and the group wiping.
But primarily, people have to learn, the hard way if necessary.
My main point is that if the dps person is healed, and survives, there is no incentive for them to improve. Unless they join a strict guild, they won't go out and download a threatmeter or anything like that. They'll hit 70 eventually, get into a proper outland dungeon, pull aggro off some tank in blues (who is likely trying his best and so forth), and wipe the group. And they'll keep doing it.
Kara and heroic progression guilds should not have to teach level 70s such basics as "don't pull mobs off the tank". They have far better things to do. Also, from a completely selfish perspective I don't want to accidently PuG with such people (whoo! elitism).
And, for the record, it is always the dpser's fault if they pass the tank on aggro. Even a scrub like me has learned to notice when the first avenger's shield/mangle/shield slam has failed to hit, and when there's an unlucky stream of dodges etc. (If the healer goes oom or pulls aggro before the mobs are killed thanks to awful mitigation/threat generation, then it becomes the tank's fault.)
Oh, and a possible good comeback to the "i've been in raidz" crap is: "hogger is NOT a 25-man raid".
One final point (sorry for the long post here), it is still alright to heal your friends if they are dps and over aggro, because we're supposed to be patient with friends. (In other words, please don't stop healing me guildy healers if you're reading this!)
[Edit:] OP I just looked at your armory and noticed that you're a blood elf, so I should probably explain that hogger is the lowest level elite in the game, in the human starting area, and lots of people die on him because they underestimate what elites are like. Apparently he has more player kills than any other creature in the entire game or some similar statistic.
Edited, Jun 14th 2008 12:07pm by Vythmolik
If, in an instance, a dpser pulls aggro multiple times and doesn't try to do anything about it, you not only should remain focused on the tank, you should LET SAID DPS PERSON DIE. INTENTIONALLY.
Firstly if you try and heal him/her, you'll likely build up a lot of additional threat yourself, increasing your chances of dying and the group wiping.
But primarily, people have to learn, the hard way if necessary.
My main point is that if the dps person is healed, and survives, there is no incentive for them to improve. Unless they join a strict guild, they won't go out and download a threatmeter or anything like that. They'll hit 70 eventually, get into a proper outland dungeon, pull aggro off some tank in blues (who is likely trying his best and so forth), and wipe the group. And they'll keep doing it.
Kara and heroic progression guilds should not have to teach level 70s such basics as "don't pull mobs off the tank". They have far better things to do. Also, from a completely selfish perspective I don't want to accidently PuG with such people (whoo! elitism).
And, for the record, it is always the dpser's fault if they pass the tank on aggro. Even a scrub like me has learned to notice when the first avenger's shield/mangle/shield slam has failed to hit, and when there's an unlucky stream of dodges etc. (If the healer goes oom or pulls aggro before the mobs are killed thanks to awful mitigation/threat generation, then it becomes the tank's fault.)
Oh, and a possible good comeback to the "i've been in raidz" crap is: "hogger is NOT a 25-man raid".
One final point (sorry for the long post here), it is still alright to heal your friends if they are dps and over aggro, because we're supposed to be patient with friends. (In other words, please don't stop healing me guildy healers if you're reading this!)
[Edit:] OP I just looked at your armory and noticed that you're a blood elf, so I should probably explain that hogger is the lowest level elite in the game, in the human starting area, and lots of people die on him because they underestimate what elites are like. Apparently he has more player kills than any other creature in the entire game or some similar statistic.
Edited, Jun 14th 2008 12:07pm by Vythmolik
Tell him if a dps pulls agro in a raid setting he's as good as dead.
Now ST is a little bit different because AOE's are more common with almost all the pulls in there. Most CC isn't viable in ST.
However, he's still a nubstuffer.
Now ST is a little bit different because AOE's are more common with almost all the pulls in there. Most CC isn't viable in ST.
However, he's still a nubstuffer.
The thing about a lot of DPSers (especially at lower levels) is that they like to show off. "zomg - Look how much damage I can do. The tank can't even hang onto the mob - I'm soooo awesome." These people deserve to get 0 healing from the healer.
Just clarifying (just incase there was confusion)
The AOE's weren't the issues. Those damned wizards are annoying, but it was during a Library run that he was causing the problems. The aoe's became a problem once I started running Cathedral because every group I was with had two annoying habits: 1.) Not attacking the same target and 2.) Standing in a group
Thankfully the higher into the game i get the better groups I seem to get with (and the longer list of friends too)
I've encountered this a couple more times since then. Last time a guy repeately pulled aggro, I stopped healing him (this guy kept bragging about his dps too...)
He dies, I felt relief, we go the rest of that fight with absolutely no problem
At the end he goes (WTF? NO HEALZ?) to which another group member replied something along the lines of "Learn to watch your aggro idiot" and then booted him
I laughed ;-) Some people aren't as forgiving as I am I guess
Well, hopefully outlands will be better :-D Just a few more levels....
The AOE's weren't the issues. Those damned wizards are annoying, but it was during a Library run that he was causing the problems. The aoe's became a problem once I started running Cathedral because every group I was with had two annoying habits: 1.) Not attacking the same target and 2.) Standing in a group
Thankfully the higher into the game i get the better groups I seem to get with (and the longer list of friends too)
I've encountered this a couple more times since then. Last time a guy repeately pulled aggro, I stopped healing him (this guy kept bragging about his dps too...)
He dies, I felt relief, we go the rest of that fight with absolutely no problem
At the end he goes (WTF? NO HEALZ?) to which another group member replied something along the lines of "Learn to watch your aggro idiot" and then booted him
I laughed ;-) Some people aren't as forgiving as I am I guess
Well, hopefully outlands will be better :-D Just a few more levels....
Wyzer wrote:
Well, hopefully outlands will be better :-D Just a few more levels....
You would think so, wouldn't you? You still end up in groups with id10ts that don't have a clue. And that's what's frustrating. You'd think they'd manage to stop ducking the Cluex4 as it went by. :P
Ignorance ... I can work with that. A simple lack of knowledge can be corrected. This is usually indicated by asking questions or a polite response when advice is given.
Stupidity ... Can't help there. Taking them out back and using them as target practice (compound longbow, .22 pistol or .50 Desert Eagle depending on how ... diplomatic I'm feeling) is the best way to deal with 'em.
People who don't seem to understand their roles aren't the problem. If you clearly explain what went wrong and how they can be better (in a whisper) they will usually come around. Those that don't understand and don't listen, they don't get healed.
Keep the tank alive at all costs and you have a chance to avoid the wipe. If you waste mana on the DPS guy who doesn't listen, it will eventually cause a wipe which will be your fault for listening to a moron.
Keep the tank alive at all costs and you have a chance to avoid the wipe. If you waste mana on the DPS guy who doesn't listen, it will eventually cause a wipe which will be your fault for listening to a moron.
/party Hey everyone, the mage here thinks that it's not his fault if he pulls aggro off of the tank. Do you guys agree? If you don't, maybe we should kick him.
There are situations where AoE is the perfect solution (basically when there's lots of mobs with low health), and when those times arise then yes you should be looking after your mages above your tank (zul'farrak springs to mind - you've got some fun to look forward to there Wyzer!). My priest was also my first ever character, as you learn your role you also learn to understand when it wasn't your fault and when you could've done something differently, its all part of the learning process. This time not your fault by the sounds of it. Sometimes dps ***** up - everyone does, imo you should try to save the situation as best you can, but in the case of AoE-ing aggro-pulling mages theres often nothing you can do for them, don't worry.
The only good pugs consist of people that had a level 60 pre-bc, and the rare person who actually took the time to read what the tooltip on their new skillz says.
Commander cococj wrote:
Wyzer wrote:
What really got me I think as saying I was wrong because I had never raided before, when I was certain he was mistaken...
Thanks for the response, but how can someone who has raided not understand this?
Thanks for the response, but how can someone who has raided not understand this?
There are two possibilities that spring immediately to mind:
1) He was lying and he didn't have a high level raider.
2) He got complacent thinking because it isn't a high level dungeon/raid content that he could just do as he wished.
Either way DPS threat < Tank threat isn't a tough concept! :)
I've had people say that to me, then minutes later do things nobody would ever think to do in a raid. I even had one guy in Blood Furnace tell me I was retarded for not wanting to be the only AoE in the group, then watched him stand in the poison circle on the boss. If raiding has taught me one thing, it's that you never ever, under any circumstance stand on top of any ominous type of aura! Ever. (Or as they say in Black Temple, stand next to the volcano and win the dumbass award.)
And pertaining to those that fall under #2: I also saw a guy one time give our tank a hard time because his gear wasn't that good, and was like "I have a 70 pally it isnt that hard to get gear..." (I didn't bother to speak up, but I have a high-end tankadin too.) then screwed up tons and pretty much failed at sheeps, causing the tank to have to tank more mobs than necessary, which made it even harder for him to do well.
One thing I've learned never to do as a mage is constantly AOE in instances when it isn't needed. Easiest way to die. So yes, I think you were right.
And that's aside from the fact whether he had a raider or not; it's the hardcore raider's alts who always act like they know everything. I usually tell them I don't give a crap how many 25-mans they have on farm status since this is instance X and not the Black Temple. Can't stand the types.
And that's aside from the fact whether he had a raider or not; it's the hardcore raider's alts who always act like they know everything. I usually tell them I don't give a crap how many 25-mans they have on farm status since this is instance X and not the Black Temple. Can't stand the types.
Kind of funny how I posted this on the 13th originally about Scarlet Monestary runs and now I've been running Slave Pens
Who said leveling as a holy priest is slow? ^_^
Anyways, I've ran dozens of instances since then with PuG's and its been going much better
I was hoping Outlands would have better players and thankfully I was right, everyone here (for hte most part) has known their own class and others much better than everyone before
Cheers everyone :-D
Who said leveling as a holy priest is slow? ^_^
Anyways, I've ran dozens of instances since then with PuG's and its been going much better
I was hoping Outlands would have better players and thankfully I was right, everyone here (for hte most part) has known their own class and others much better than everyone before
Cheers everyone :-D
I'm a lvl61 Spriest and have a Mage as my main (70) running 25-man raids. It really riled me reading about the mage pulling agro and saying its not his fault that he passed the Tanks agro - OMG!
Its already been said but just to reiterate, priority 1 for any mage is to watch his agro, you pull the tanks target then you cause problems for both the Tank and your healers. Sounds like the mage hadnt taken much of his own advice and "listened" to other players. clearly hadnt learnt how to play a Mage at that point in time, lets hope he knows better now...
Its already been said but just to reiterate, priority 1 for any mage is to watch his agro, you pull the tanks target then you cause problems for both the Tank and your healers. Sounds like the mage hadnt taken much of his own advice and "listened" to other players. clearly hadnt learnt how to play a Mage at that point in time, lets hope he knows better now...
You were completely right. Whenever I am healing an instance, I am always watching to see if everyone is attacking the appropriate target and watch Omen for people that consistently pull aggro. If someone grabs aggro really quick and tries to get rid of it, I will pop up my renew and possibly bubble depending on what happened. I make sure to let everyone know ahead of time that if they pull too much aggro off of the tank that I will not heal them, that way they know what to expect.
My number one rule is to heal the tank though. If the tank is at 70% health and a DPSer is at 70%, the tank always gets first priority. There are times where you can't afford to stop healing the tank to heal the dps. I confer with the party members individually to see what went on if a particular pull wasn't as great as it could be so that I can keep an eye on the person/people causing it.
My number one rule is to heal the tank though. If the tank is at 70% health and a DPSer is at 70%, the tank always gets first priority. There are times where you can't afford to stop healing the tank to heal the dps. I confer with the party members individually to see what went on if a particular pull wasn't as great as it could be so that I can keep an eye on the person/people causing it.
I didn't see anyone bring this up, so here goes: If the tank dies, it is the healer's fault. If the healer dies, it is the tank's fault. If DPS dies, it is their own damned fault. Stick to that and you won't go far wrong.
There's exceptions to that rule though... I did a Blood Furnace run yesterday in which I first got stunned, then blinded, and when that wore off spell locked. Not much you can do in a situation like that.
(Luckily we all survived that bit though)
(Luckily we all survived that bit though)
@Mozared - Or... same instance
The pull with the 3 technicians in that one room. And all 3 of them dropped a bomb at the same time and the tank and 2 melee DPS's dont move
Insta-death (/sigh), leaving the bewildered healer and hunter to fend for themselves against 3 angry mobs ;-)
Best hunter I have ever grouped with because after the dust settled we got a nice pat on the back
To continue this story... I joined a new guild because I had been running instances with a few of the members for almost a week straight and i really liked everyone
And I looked at the roster and the mage is in it >_<
I haven't said anything yet...
The pull with the 3 technicians in that one room. And all 3 of them dropped a bomb at the same time and the tank and 2 melee DPS's dont move
Insta-death (/sigh), leaving the bewildered healer and hunter to fend for themselves against 3 angry mobs ;-)
Best hunter I have ever grouped with because after the dust settled we got a nice pat on the back
To continue this story... I joined a new guild because I had been running instances with a few of the members for almost a week straight and i really liked everyone
And I looked at the roster and the mage is in it >_<
I haven't said anything yet...
Well, hope he's learned his game by now. Some people actually do learn, no matter the pricks they used to be.
If there's anybody from Agrammar (EU) around; you might remember 'Druideen'... I met him while questing in Un'goro. We were fighting the elementals in the centre of the place together when he said "We should've brought a level 53, he would have seen these elementals as orange rather than red". I was 52 and they were orange to me, and that's what I said to him. Man, I didn't know what I was in for... the guy seemed to think he had godlike knowledge of all aspects of the game and starting saying I should shut up because seeing mobs 3 levels higher as orange is impossible etc, etc. Not too long after I joined a Scholomance group at 55 where he was in. I got more yells telling me I was a noob and that I couldn't possibly come at 55, even though I told him I had actually already healed the place two times. It ended up with him leaving the party, and us running Scholomance perfectly fine.
More than a year later I started raiding with a really nice and friendly guild named "The Shadow Guard", and to my grief one day they brought Druideen to a raid... I said something along the lines of "Oh god, not him", and very surprisingly the first reply I got to that sentence was him saying something like "Hey no worries there Mozzy... I've seen the light; I admit I was wrong and have been a prick earlier on, I'm sorry for that. I'm going my best to make up now though". Needless to say I was stunned, but he actually meant it and lateron became one of my best friends in the (back then 50-man strong) guild.
If there's anybody from Agrammar (EU) around; you might remember 'Druideen'... I met him while questing in Un'goro. We were fighting the elementals in the centre of the place together when he said "We should've brought a level 53, he would have seen these elementals as orange rather than red". I was 52 and they were orange to me, and that's what I said to him. Man, I didn't know what I was in for... the guy seemed to think he had godlike knowledge of all aspects of the game and starting saying I should shut up because seeing mobs 3 levels higher as orange is impossible etc, etc. Not too long after I joined a Scholomance group at 55 where he was in. I got more yells telling me I was a noob and that I couldn't possibly come at 55, even though I told him I had actually already healed the place two times. It ended up with him leaving the party, and us running Scholomance perfectly fine.
More than a year later I started raiding with a really nice and friendly guild named "The Shadow Guard", and to my grief one day they brought Druideen to a raid... I said something along the lines of "Oh god, not him", and very surprisingly the first reply I got to that sentence was him saying something like "Hey no worries there Mozzy... I've seen the light; I admit I was wrong and have been a prick earlier on, I'm sorry for that. I'm going my best to make up now though". Needless to say I was stunned, but he actually meant it and lateron became one of my best friends in the (back then 50-man strong) guild.
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I really, really appreciate the posts here....very helpful and honest...
I have a 70 tank (prot spec) and find that in 70% of the cases in groups...the dps"ers are so caught up in the damage they can do that they completely ignore the stratagy of group survival. I have recently decided to play another toon and chose a priest. i wanted to find out what they go through and the difficulties they have. Yes, I know that my complete survival in groups and raids are dependent on a competent healer. With a good healer...and solid, knowledgeable back up (DPS),
i can tank all day! Slow, yes, but no one wipes LOL.
So for the DPS'ers out there...if ya can't take him down in 2 swipes, don't even think you can...believe in your tank, and always listen to your healer!
I have a 70 tank (prot spec) and find that in 70% of the cases in groups...the dps"ers are so caught up in the damage they can do that they completely ignore the stratagy of group survival. I have recently decided to play another toon and chose a priest. i wanted to find out what they go through and the difficulties they have. Yes, I know that my complete survival in groups and raids are dependent on a competent healer. With a good healer...and solid, knowledgeable back up (DPS),
i can tank all day! Slow, yes, but no one wipes LOL.
So for the DPS'ers out there...if ya can't take him down in 2 swipes, don't even think you can...believe in your tank, and always listen to your healer!
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I really, really appreciate the posts here....very helpful and honest...
I have a 70 tank (prot spec) and find that in 70% of the cases in groups...the dps"ers are so caught up in the damage they can do that they completely ignore the stratagy of group survival. I have recently decided to play another toon and chose a priest. i wanted to find out what they go through and the difficulties they have. Yes, I know that my complete survival in groups and raids are dependent on a competent healer. With a good healer...and solid, knowledgeable back up (DPS),
i can tank all day! Slow, yes, but no one wipes LOL.
So for the DPS'ers out there...if ya can't take him down in 2 swipes, don't even think you can...believe in your tank, and always listen to your healer!
I have a 70 tank (prot spec) and find that in 70% of the cases in groups...the dps"ers are so caught up in the damage they can do that they completely ignore the stratagy of group survival. I have recently decided to play another toon and chose a priest. i wanted to find out what they go through and the difficulties they have. Yes, I know that my complete survival in groups and raids are dependent on a competent healer. With a good healer...and solid, knowledgeable back up (DPS),
i can tank all day! Slow, yes, but no one wipes LOL.
So for the DPS'ers out there...if ya can't take him down in 2 swipes, don't even think you can...believe in your tank, and always listen to your healer!
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