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#1 Jun 12 2008 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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So I've been curious about this. I don't really use my feral side all that often seeing as I'm full balance/intesity build. But I do have 5/5 Furor and 3/3 Natural Shapeshift to help with my pvp opener. Prowl/Pounce/Rip/Bear/Bash/Cyclone/Starfire/Root... Yeah its a long opener. But anyway, this is more towards PVE.

I don't really use bear and cat form that often seeing as I'm always rooting/nuking mobs down if they're outdoors while I'm grinding/farming. But the thing it boils down to is would it be plausible for a full balance to utilize a tanking set for certain things like some raids/instances. I already lug around a myriade of healing gear 3 pieces from kara, some quest/rep blues and greens I've supplemented from AH. I know that there is a stigma about druids always running out of bag space but would it really be worth my while to build a tanking set? I've already had to stop DPS in kara if a healer goes down or has to leave for some reason between bosses. I can heal the trash w/o much of a problem.

I guess the main question I can really boil it all down to is this. Can a druid thats spec'd only in one tree really be a truly dynamic player and fill the 4 rolls to the best of their ability or, as I figure the answer will be, will I really only excel more in casting dps and falter enough in the latter rolls I attempt to fill.

This post is all over the place but if you can make sense of it, please let me know what you think.
#2 Jun 12 2008 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
ArexLovesPie wrote:
I guess the main question I can really boil it all down to is this. Can a druid thats spec'd only in one tree really be a truly dynamic player and fill the 4 rolls to the best of their ability or, as I figure the answer will be, will I really only excel more in casting dps and falter enough in the latter rolls I attempt to fill.


there is no specc that will allow you to fill all 4 rolls to the best of your ability. Even if you split your talents between all 3 trees you will always be better off specializing in one specc or another depending on what your doing.

#3 Jun 12 2008 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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A Feral druid will never heal as well as a Resto or Restokin druid, that's the whole reason for specialization. So if you mean "best" as in "the best any druid could possibly do", no. The closest you can get to a multi-function druid is probably your cookie-cutter Feral spec + Intensity (0/44/14 + 3). With sufficient gear, you can be healer #2/3 in Kara and solo-heal heroics. You're already spec'd for melee DPS and tanking. Your ranged DPS will be terrible without a lot of the Balance talents, but you're hitting 3 outta 4.

If you use the Balance PvP gear, there's enough armor and stamina that you can try going bear, swapping weapons, and grabbing a tauntable trash mob. Remember, even though you have as much armor in moonkin form as a bear, you're missing a good threat multiplier and the extra stamina, plus 3% fewer crits from Survival of the Fittest. Bosses are pretty much out (except gimick fights like Netherspite).
#4 Jun 16 2008 at 2:39 AM Rating: Good
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I have tanked the Fel Reaver in HFP as Restokin with tanking gear (bear form). Of course that isn't an ideal situation, and not at all something I can easily do with that spec, but we had 5 people, and no tank, and I could do it. So I did, and it worked just fine. The DPSers had to watch Omen a bit but the healer kept me up just fine.

Yes, the Fel Reaver is pretty easy, but it shows that using any build, with the correct gear we can do pretty much anything and have decent results. I wouldn't step into an instance like this of course.
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#5 Jun 16 2008 at 4:07 AM Rating: Decent
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If you are running kara with just 1 tank you should try and keep some tanking gear around for moroes, netherspite and those mobs who icetomb the tank. Anything beyond that i wouldn't recommend, but having a dps'er who can fit in as off tank i very usefull and you will surely survive longer with moroes on you than any of your healers. When solo tanking moroes I usually count on loosing 2-3 people on his blind/gouge
#6 Jun 17 2008 at 2:54 AM Rating: Good
Keep in mind you only need 222 Resilience for crit immunity WITHOUT SotF. So if you have some decent PvP gear you will be crit immune either in Boomkin or Bear form. If you tank in Boomkin form, you can generate a lot more threat (assuming Balance PvP gear). If you tank in Bear form, you will do less threat, but you have 25% more stam and can taunt. Feral PvP gear would make Bear tanking more viable, but you would still be missing a lot of Stam (HotW), bonus threat (Feral Instinct), 10% armor (Thick Hide) and Feral Charge & Mangle as well as a lot of other talents that help increase threat generation - all assuming you haven't taken any feral talents as the whole point was being able to heal well in addition to tanking & nuking.

Over all, High stam gear with Balance PvP gear in moonkin form is probably your best bet for tanking. Just make sure you have a bear form => taunt macro set up as well. It would require the DPS to be smart and watch the threat meter (not likely :) ) but it is doable - Moonkins have tanked Prince in Kara and other bosses before (search Youtube) but it requires the whole raid being over-geared for the instance as well as being "smart" players.

#7 Jun 17 2008 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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I'm finding myself off healing a lot more now as well, and main healing some Heroic 5 mans. I healed all the way up to Varz/Naz in H Ramps before I actually needed help keeping the tank alive (our other balance druid has terrible terrible dps, 178) so I suppose it was because we couldn't down Varz before Naz dropped.

But I'm in the process of building my different sets and I'm starting to see the trend that the druids in our guild are all pretty much dynamic druids and fill two rolls with ease. Be it dps/heal, tank/heal, or caster dps/heal. It just seems that no matter what you do there is almost no way to go any form of feral/balance w/o the respec.

Maybe someday I'll attempt to tank as a moonkin I have around 100 some resilience right now when I'm in pvp gear but I'm sure my guild just wants me to go resto like everyone else.

Whatever the case, I'll still try to fill all the possible roles.
#8 Jun 17 2008 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
I think all the druids in my guild have a decent resto set and many of us have respecced at various times when the raid was short of healers. As long as we can spread it round so we aren't getting "trapped" healing all the time, it is quite fun to have a different challenge & perspective on the various events in the instances. Also, raid healing is much easier than 5 mans as you are working as a team and not trying to do everything yourself.

#9 Jun 17 2008 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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I'd just like to add that a properly geared boomkin can generate more threat than a moderately geared and untalented bear, but put a feral druid in equivalent gear and we basically have the best single-target threat generation.
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