Overlord Theophany wrote:
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lack of CC,
For elemental, yes, I agree. Resto should not need CC, nor should enhancement, IMO. Enhancement should get a snare/root break instead, much like CloS.
I'm not quite sure how you reason that CC would be any more "balanced" in the hands of Elemental as opposed to Resto or Enhancement. That's like saying a Balance Druid should have Entangling Roots and Cyclone but a Resto or Feral Druid shouldn't.
Elemental needs CC to make themselves more viable in 2v2 and 3v3, something that resto doesn't need. With a snare break a la CloS (i.e. short cooldown, duration-based allowing travel to a target), enhancement would become much more viable.
And again, I'm really just not sure how it is that you've reached that conclusion.
Rogues and Warriors are both melee DPS with every tool an Enhancement Shaman has and more, yet they have CC. The only thing an Enhancement Shaman has on them is Purge. So why not CC?
Resto Druids can root and CC the crap out of attackers, and Priests can at least Psychic Scream when they're not shielding. Might have something to do with the fact that they're so popular and dominant in the arena; they rank higher than Resto Shaman in 2's in general, and while the Shaman's strongest (and only) combo with a Warrior is good, Warrior/Druid is even better. Good as they are in 2's, they're still only third best out of three, and they have an extremely restricted list of partners they synergize with in any bracket. So... why not CC?
Elemental... well... I dunno. They already hit like a mac truck. Why do you think they deserve CC and not the other two?
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Gaudion wrote:
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lack of resistance to CC,
Not many classes have resistance to CC. Shamans actually have more than most with Grounding Totem.
Grounding Totem is some, but it's definitely not "more than most".
So what classes have "resistance to CC" other than rogues and druids? Every other class has a trinket, and that's about it.
Of course there are racials, but you can hardly count those as they're not class-based.
TBW, Berserker Rage, Death Wish, Ice Block (removes everything), Felhunters can eat magic CC... you could make a short list of classes that don't have a way to deal with at least one type of CC, but saying Shaman have "more than most", especially with the
extremely unreliable Tremor Totem, is an exaggeration. What we have is a one, non-AoE spell intercept every 15 seconds, assuming we're even able to cast it. And for that matter, as Grounding Totem is best used as targetted lay (I.E. you lay it while that Warlock is winding up his fear, doing it beforehand and relying on the buff is just asking to get it destroyed and wasted), you could even resonably compare it to Counter Spell and other interrupts.
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I was just saying that you can get a pushback reduction, not that you shouldn't have it talented.
Then you should have said so in the first place. Because it looks like you're just trying to be right, as always.
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Gaudion wrote:
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no damage mitigation beyond armor/resilliance, etc.
Warriors, druids, hunters.
The difference being that all three of those classes can relieve pressure on themselves through stuns, fears, CC's, roots, traps, silences... did I forget anything? Shaman are completely incapable of relieving any and all pressure applied to them; they require a teammate to do so.
Earth Shield, Shamanistic Rage. Something no other class has that relieves quite a bit of pressure for a fully-geared shaman. I'll freely admit that elemental is weaker in this area.
Earth Shield is not a "pressure relief". It's a triggered, reactive heal, but it's still following the Resto Shaman's MO: heal through it. You're still taking the full brunt of any assault leveraged against you with no breather to get a heal off unmolested, escape, or temporarily prevent incoming damage. It's also woefully simple to dispel; you let me know how much relief you feel from Earth Shield when a Hunter's drawing an outline of Orion on your face or that Spriest is melting it.
Shamanistic Rage... yeah. Can't argue that, but it's only available to one of three specs, and only for 15 seconds every two minutes. Not anywhere near comparable to a Priest's constant shielding, Druid CC and kiting, Rogue's and Warrior's frequent stuns, etc.
Edited, Jun 10th 2008 11:28pm by Gaudion