Hi all.First of all i am hunter who have an alt rogue lvl 49 and still find hard to lvl up.
I check the Blizz pvp forums and i see only "nerf rogues" threads.All kind of nerf rogues threads.And from all classes.Ok i know mages,locks,hunters have serious issues against rogues.But warriors,druids and pallas? Seriously ,i didnt exept this.
So my question is this:you really believe that rogues are so OP at the moment?or is the same with all OP class that time from time change in WoW(like hunters in old days,or warriors,locks ,druids etc) and there is nothing to whine about?
From your view, you think there is something that should be nerfed of buffed?
My thoughts is that the last 2 months is see more amd more noobs rogues that they really dont know nothing about their class and because they read all the time that rogues are OP they changed to their alt rogue and have the impression that they will dominate only because are rogues..sad!
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Bad rogues are still bad.
Like the 2v2 team I pretty much soloed tonight due to a lag spike; I hit a 2k ping and before my partner realized it, he was dead and I was still stealthed in the starting room.
I proceeded to come out, grab the stealth sight, sap one and kill the other while blinding and sapping.
Rogues are powerful when you have the gear and know how to play, but until then, the class is still average.
Like the 2v2 team I pretty much soloed tonight due to a lag spike; I hit a 2k ping and before my partner realized it, he was dead and I was still stealthed in the starting room.
I proceeded to come out, grab the stealth sight, sap one and kill the other while blinding and sapping.
Rogues are powerful when you have the gear and know how to play, but until then, the class is still average.
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Rogues can be quite hard to level up. Lack of a self heal and not being particularly tough have their drawbacks. But I think on the bliz pvp forums of course the majority of threads will be about people qq-ing about other classes. A player of average skill level might fight a bad rogue, kill him easily, and think no more of it. But being stunlocked for 10 or more seconds is very frustrating, as is wearing all greens and being killed in 2 hits by a guy you didn't even know was there. They are unlikely to post on the forums about their own kills except for the memorable ones, but being killed in a way they believe they can do nothing about...well of course they're going to write about it.
I'm certainly no expert at pvp, but when I was suffering through it to get my s1 blades one thing I knew how to do reasonably well was a basic stunlock. This is an overt was of holding someone down, but other classes have similar things. Personally, getting intercepted + hamstringed by a warrior you can only hit for a tiny amount of damage is just as lethal in the end. However, you can at least "think" you can do something about it, like move very slowly around or make tiny dents in his armour.
Stealth is another example. In a BG, a rogue could pounce on you at any moment. Can be quite unnerving unless it happens a lot. But rogues need stealth. Aside from it being correct by rpg lore, it is our way of closing with the enemy. An unstealthed enemy rogue 40 yards away is a dead rogue for any ranged class, unless there is a significant gear or skill difference, or just a whole load of luck.
Indeed, rogues are powerful when they're properly geared, and the player is good. But it's the same with all classes, perhaps not all specs but arguably all classes. I don't think there's anything much in rogues that needs to be particularly buffed or nerfed. Though some sort of self out-of-combat heal and maybe a buff/debuff for raids would be nice :)
I'm certainly no expert at pvp, but when I was suffering through it to get my s1 blades one thing I knew how to do reasonably well was a basic stunlock. This is an overt was of holding someone down, but other classes have similar things. Personally, getting intercepted + hamstringed by a warrior you can only hit for a tiny amount of damage is just as lethal in the end. However, you can at least "think" you can do something about it, like move very slowly around or make tiny dents in his armour.
Stealth is another example. In a BG, a rogue could pounce on you at any moment. Can be quite unnerving unless it happens a lot. But rogues need stealth. Aside from it being correct by rpg lore, it is our way of closing with the enemy. An unstealthed enemy rogue 40 yards away is a dead rogue for any ranged class, unless there is a significant gear or skill difference, or just a whole load of luck.
Indeed, rogues are powerful when they're properly geared, and the player is good. But it's the same with all classes, perhaps not all specs but arguably all classes. I don't think there's anything much in rogues that needs to be particularly buffed or nerfed. Though some sort of self out-of-combat heal and maybe a buff/debuff for raids would be nice :)
I just dont get it.In all my time of pvp (1,5 year), rogues did,do and will do the same thing:stealth,hit first and stunlocked.
What changed and i see this panic about rogues? its not simplee QQ threads its a epidemic of nerfed rogues out there.
What changed and i see this panic about rogues? its not simplee QQ threads its a epidemic of nerfed rogues out there.
My biggest frustration with rogues is that damn cheat death. Arghh, it's so irritating. However they're pretty squishy otherwise, so it makes sense.
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I check the Blizz pvp forums and i see only "nerf rogues" threads.All kind of nerf rogues threads.And from all classes.Ok i know mages,locks,hunters have serious issues against rogues.But warriors,druids and pallas? Seriously ,i didnt exept this.
I am new to posting on allakhazam. Although, I have been reading these forums for years(P.S. Theo I personally am a HUGE fan of yours). One thing I see wrong with this statement is hunters. A BM hunter that pops Bestial Wrath/The Beast Within/ Intimidation normally beats me 1v1. Eighteen seconds of immunity to my stuns/poisons=GG. I personally feel like I am a pretty skilled rogue because I have been playing one for about 3 years now. I personally sometimes have trouble with a Frost Mage as well. I see myself not having too much problems with MS warriors that are equally geared as me, but that is only if I get the jump out of stealth. It is like Vyth said if a rogue doesn't have stealth his chances of survival are very slim compared to other classes. Now druids and pallies are tough regardless of spec normally(if they have any skill). I personally prefer to go up against a Feral druid if I had to choose a certain spec of druid to go up against. I have personally played every single class at level 70 except a warrior, and have a basic knowledge of all. I have read forums of each of the classes I play stating how OP that class was. People will always cry because they think they are the best at their class and can beat anyone. Then, when they lose they tend to think the other class needs a nerf. It is the way of the World(of Warcraft). You will always have those ignorant people who cry Nerf.
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Vythmolik wrote:
Rogues can be quite hard to level up. Lack of a self heal and not being particularly tough have their drawbacks.
Seriously? Rogues are one of the EASIEST classes to level. Sorry friend, but I have to disagree with you completely.
Try leveling a holy pally. THAT, in the truest sense of the word, is painfull.
EDIT: Fixed quoting.
Edited, Jun 10th 2008 12:29pm by DetroitRock
Feyras wrote:
I personally prefer to go up against a Feral druid if I had to choose a certain spec of druid to go up against.
You've played against bad druids.
Feral is probably the hardest spec to deal with as a rogue, out of all three of the druid specs.
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I have to agree that Rogue is easy to level.
My experiment:
Can a player level a character from 1-70 without partying?
It has taken me 6 months (but I only play a few hours a week), and I have leveled my rogue to 70 without ever doing a dungeon or an instance. (I have done AV just because I wanted the Frostwolf Howler.) I balanced the talent tree to best be able to survive solo fights, and I have herbalism/alchemy as professions.
Also, having kept a running total of gold earned, I have made over 15k from my jobs and selling of items.
So now, I will try another job to see if it can be repeated.
My experiment:
Can a player level a character from 1-70 without partying?
It has taken me 6 months (but I only play a few hours a week), and I have leveled my rogue to 70 without ever doing a dungeon or an instance. (I have done AV just because I wanted the Frostwolf Howler.) I balanced the talent tree to best be able to survive solo fights, and I have herbalism/alchemy as professions.
Also, having kept a running total of gold earned, I have made over 15k from my jobs and selling of items.
So now, I will try another job to see if it can be repeated.
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You've played against bad druids. Smiley: tongue
Feral is probably the hardest spec to deal with as a rogue, out of all three of the druid specs.
Feral is probably the hardest spec to deal with as a rogue, out of all three of the druid specs.
Feral is tough to kill, but I hate trying to kill resto or boomkin druids because they both take alot of time to kill. No druid is easy to take down if they are half way decent.
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penguinsforever wrote:
I have to agree that Rogue is easy to level.
My experiment:
Can a player level a character from 1-70 without partying?
It has taken me 6 months (but I only play a few hours a week), and I have leveled my rogue to 70 without ever doing a dungeon or an instance. (I have done AV just because I wanted the Frostwolf Howler.) I balanced the talent tree to best be able to survive solo fights, and I have herbalism/alchemy as professions.
Also, having kept a running total of gold earned, I have made over 15k from my jobs and selling of items.
So now, I will try another job to see if it can be repeated.
My experiment:
Can a player level a character from 1-70 without partying?
It has taken me 6 months (but I only play a few hours a week), and I have leveled my rogue to 70 without ever doing a dungeon or an instance. (I have done AV just because I wanted the Frostwolf Howler.) I balanced the talent tree to best be able to survive solo fights, and I have herbalism/alchemy as professions.
Also, having kept a running total of gold earned, I have made over 15k from my jobs and selling of items.
So now, I will try another job to see if it can be repeated.
You do know going solo 1-70 is not only possible but common, right?
Put Lifestealing on your MH, nuff said.
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Put Lifestealing on your MH, nuff said.
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
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Nerf cheat death a little, I think every other class has a problem with it.That's my noobish tough.:D
Remember that this "nerf rogues revolt" is a response to blizzard buffing subtlety at "our request".
Of course anyone can say "nerf rogues", because most of the time people who speak have absolutely no idea, I for example !But I for one, I won't go on blizzard OF just to talk things that I don't know exactly, here is a discussion thread right ?
Now honestly here, blizzard is in a very hard situation here because he have the bad habit of listening to the crowd.
Why no one cries that pallies are OP in Pve ?50% of this game is pve, but no one cries about balancing pve too much.
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 6:45am by Sedat
Remember that this "nerf rogues revolt" is a response to blizzard buffing subtlety at "our request".
Of course anyone can say "nerf rogues", because most of the time people who speak have absolutely no idea, I for example !But I for one, I won't go on blizzard OF just to talk things that I don't know exactly, here is a discussion thread right ?
Now honestly here, blizzard is in a very hard situation here because he have the bad habit of listening to the crowd.
Why no one cries that pallies are OP in Pve ?50% of this game is pve, but no one cries about balancing pve too much.
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 6:45am by Sedat
Yeah, everyone can whine and complain about the 1 class that gives them the most difficulty, so let's all cry "nerf Warriors" here.
They've already nerfed Cheat Death, it used to be able to double-proc for 99% dmg reduction >_>
They also nerfed Hemo a bit...
They've already nerfed Cheat Death, it used to be able to double-proc for 99% dmg reduction >_>
They also nerfed Hemo a bit...
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Feyras wrote:
I personally prefer to go up against a Feral druid if I had to choose a certain spec of druid to go up against.
You've played against bad druids.
Feral is probably the hardest spec to deal with as a rogue, out of all three of the druid specs.
Really? I wolud have thought resto, restokin, or a hybrid resto (and some feral). Just because of the instant hoTs.
Sedat wrote:
Why no one cries that pallies are OP in Pve ?50% of this game is pve, but no one cries about balancing pve too much.
Actually Paladins aren't that overpowered in pve while leveling. Their killrate is much slower so their survivibility makes up for it.
Sedat wrote:
Nerf cheat death a little, I think every other class has a problem with it.That's my noobish tough.:D
Remember that this "nerf rogues revolt" is a response to blizzard buffing subtlety at "our request".
Of course anyone can say "nerf rogues", because most of the time people who speak have absolutely no idea, I for example !But I for one, I won't go on blizzard OF just to talk things that I don't know exactly, here is a discussion thread right ?
Now honestly here, blizzard is in a very hard situation here because he have the bad habit of listening to the crowd.
Why no one cries that pallies are OP in Pve ?50% of this game is pve, but no one cries about balancing pve too much.
Remember that this "nerf rogues revolt" is a response to blizzard buffing subtlety at "our request".
Of course anyone can say "nerf rogues", because most of the time people who speak have absolutely no idea, I for example !But I for one, I won't go on blizzard OF just to talk things that I don't know exactly, here is a discussion thread right ?
Now honestly here, blizzard is in a very hard situation here because he have the bad habit of listening to the crowd.
Why no one cries that pallies are OP in Pve ?50% of this game is pve, but no one cries about balancing pve too much.
The only "buff" they've made to sub in the past year is cheat death and ShS. Hemo got buffed and then nerfed a patch or two later, as well as Prep getting nerfed at the same time.
Vythmolik wrote:
Indeed, rogues are powerful when they're properly geared, and the player is good. But it's the same with all classes, perhaps not all specs but arguably all classes. I don't think there's anything much in rogues that needs to be particularly buffed or nerfed. Though some sort of self out-of-combat heal and maybe a buff/debuff for raids would be nice :)
Totally. They could call them 'bandages' or 'food'.
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Actually I was not aware of that. I came over from FFXI where you couldn't do squat after 55 or 60 without a group.
penguinsforever wrote:
Actually I was not aware of that. I came over from FFXI where you couldn't do squat after 55 or 60 without a group.
Ah, now you see, that's where WoW really shines ... from what I've heard - going Solo after a specific level in most popular MMO's is practically impossible. Going solo in WoW to the level cap is, as mentioned before, quite easily done.
I have a 70 warrior, 70 Mage and a 41 Rogue ... never grouped, never done instances (at least before 70) ...
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Rogues can be quite hard to level up. Lack of a self heal and not being particularly tough have their drawbacks.
LoL yeah sorry, don't know what I was thinking when I said that. One day I just decided to play an alt that was supposed to be holding a name for a possible eventual deathknight and suddenly I had a level 70 rogue. Well not exactly but it seems like that looking back. If there were hard bits, I likely forgot them thanks to the fun of swinging 2 swords around slicing stuff.
However I forgot all about cheat death, something I've come across when fighting other rogues in battlegrounds. It's a nice move indeed, but it's not game breaking (I can say that even after being killed by rogues with it up, right after I would otherwise have killed them), and shouldn't deserve a nerf.
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