But it did happen. Ignlte of Drak'thul recently broke 2000, as Enhancement, the entire way. I had a chance to talk to him and gathered these tips.
He broke 2000 in TWO brackets: 2v2 and 5v5, a rarity for ANY class.
His 2v2 comp climaxed at 2070, he was paired with a Frost Mage.
His 5v5 comp is at 2020, he rolls with a Priest, Pally, Rogue, and Warrior.
In 2s, he would normally start off wearing a shield to mitigate the initial burst, if the opposing team had no Rogues, he'd switch to his two weapons as soon as he made contact. For the oft-mentioned Druid/War, he suggested to CC the Warrior and burst down the Druid. As Frost Mage/Enh Sham, they had high burst potential and would burn down their first target within seconds.
His 5s comp, well that's self-explanatory.
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grats for him please i hope every time a shaman breaks 2k rating you come post it here =P
Nope, they didnt say it couldn't be done...
They said
Or something like that anyway.
("It can be done, it's just bloody hard")
Edited, Jun 10th 2008 11:39am by Sinstralis
They said
"Considering a wide variety of evidential source datasets, both statistical and anecdotal, and taking into account a multitude of weighting and scaling factors (vis. 'Universal Suckage' (Usuc), 'Individual Suckage' (Isuc) and 'Winning Even With Suckage' (WEsuc)), apropos to entity 'Shaman', it can be posited that as Enhance talents (Tenh) approaches 61, Probability of breaching 2k Arena bracket (P2k) tends towards zero, parabolically in standard Euclidian phase geometry"
Or something like that anyway.
("It can be done, it's just bloody hard")
Edited, Jun 10th 2008 11:39am by Sinstralis
Yeah, no one has said any spec can't reach a high rating. Most said CERTAIN SPECS have HUGE advantages over others at reaching high ratings in certain brackets. Most also said.... the other specs have HUGE disadvantages to overcome in order to reach high ratings. Shaman dps specs have a hard time in small brackets (as do shaman healers compared to other healers). Shaman balances out (or actually leans towards dps) in 5v5. It's just statistics, truth, and game mechanics.
Whatever you do, don't say their names three times. They're like motherfnucking Beetlejuice.
But at least we've another tactic to recommend to PvPing enhancement shaman looking for advice that could go in a thread on these shaman forums, thanks to this.
Sinstralis wrote:
Nope, they didnt say it couldn't be done...
They said
Or something like that anyway.
They said
"Considering a wide variety of evidential source datasets, both statistical and anecdotal, and taking into account a multitude of weighting and scaling factors (vis. 'Universal Suckage' (Usuc), 'Individual Suckage' (Isuc) and 'Winning Even With Suckage' (WEsuc)), apropos to entity 'Shaman', it can be posited that as Enhance talents (Tenh) approaches 61, Probability of breaching 2k Arena bracket (P2k) tends towards zero, parabolically in standard Euclidian phase geometry"
Or something like that anyway.
LAWL can you write out the formula for this. Sig worthy man, sig worthy!
If ret pallies can hold down 2.3k i don't see why enhancement shammies can't. Retrogue has become quite popular nowadays, and really all that's required of the ret is its burst ability. Albeit rets bring into the fray a myriad of helpful thingymabobs, from BoP to BoF, but enh shammies bring their highly useful totems as well as purgey goodness. i don't play a level 70 shaman, but the way i see it every time someone wands your totem that's 1.5 seconds he's not casting a spell at you. that's always helpful. But i seriously hope more enh shammies give me a reason to level my shammy past 30. they look like massive fun, but i don't dig the whole "shammies are broken" thing.
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i don't play a level 70 shaman, but the way i see it...
Every time someone posts this on the Shaman forums, God tortures a baby kitten to death.
iceravenVI wrote:
If ret pallies can hold down 2.3k i don't see why enhancement shammies can't. Retrogue has become quite popular nowadays, and really all that's required of the ret is its burst ability. Albeit rets bring into the fray a myriad of helpful thingymabobs, from BoP to BoF, but enh shammies bring their highly useful totems as well as purgey goodness. i don't play a level 70 shaman, but the way i see it every time someone wands your totem that's 1.5 seconds he's not casting a spell at you. that's always helpful. But i seriously hope more enh shammies give me a reason to level my shammy past 30. they look like massive fun, but i don't dig the whole "shammies are broken" thing.
Well, finding a dedicated arena team to get you there is somewhat a brick wall with the overall negative attitude towards Shaman.
Zagine is another decent enhancement shaman that has put out a video.
His 3v3 is not only 2404 (2377 PR, 8th in BG9), but in that video you can see him going up against people like Neilyo, Happyminty, and Spoh.
There's usually at least two Gladiators per team.
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 12:52am by Theophany
His 3v3 is not only 2404 (2377 PR, 8th in BG9), but in that video you can see him going up against people like Neilyo, Happyminty, and Spoh.
There's usually at least two Gladiators per team.
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 12:52am by Theophany
that was the video i posted theo. hes a damn good shammy, with a team that runs like a well-oiled machine. he also hits like a ton of bricks.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Zagine is another decent enhancement shaman that has put out a video.
His 3v3 is not only 2404 (2377 PR, 8th in BG9), but in that video you can see him going up against people like Neilyo, Happyminty, and Spoh.
There's usually at least two Gladiators per team.
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 12:52am by Theophany
His 3v3 is not only 2404 (2377 PR, 8th in BG9), but in that video you can see him going up against people like Neilyo, Happyminty, and Spoh.
There's usually at least two Gladiators per team.
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 12:52am by Theophany
Dude, I gotta ask:
How is it possible that he only has like 85 AGI? I guess my question is, should I stack tons and tons of STR like he has or 2/3 STR 1/3 AGI like I've been for all the goodness that AGI provides on top of crit % +?
I also am going to assume that his shown wep(the 2H High Warlord's Staff) is for aesthetics, and being a 375 BS he's DWing the Dragonstrike maces, right?
DarkRein wrote:
How is it possible that he only has like 85 AGI? I guess my question is, should I stack tons and tons of STR like he has or 2/3 STR 1/3 AGI like I've been for all the goodness that AGI provides on top of crit % +?
What does AGI provide you in PvP other than crit? Lawl dodge and a miniscule amount of armor?
In general, you're better off gemming/enchanting for pure AP over crit.
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I also am going to assume that his shown wep(the 2H High Warlord's Staff) is for aesthetics, and being a 375 BS he's DWing the Dragonstrike maces, right?
One would assume.
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 12:17pm by Gaudion
Lawl armor....
I dunno bout you but if I can avoid one attack by dodging or nerf one damaging blow with added padding (and, I could be wrong, but I believe AGI has some sort of tie in to Stun resists), thats more seconds I have to damage my opponent, and since you have some sort of reputation as a Shaman Guru, I was assuming you understood that the only real CC a Shaman has is to make whoever is trying to kill us, dead.
And as for gemming/enchanting, of course you would do so for STR > AP > Crit%, but there are some nice badge pieces out there that have +haste and AGI...
The second half of my comment was meant to be sarcastic, guess I forgot a ;) or whatever...
I dunno bout you but if I can avoid one attack by dodging or nerf one damaging blow with added padding (and, I could be wrong, but I believe AGI has some sort of tie in to Stun resists), thats more seconds I have to damage my opponent, and since you have some sort of reputation as a Shaman Guru, I was assuming you understood that the only real CC a Shaman has is to make whoever is trying to kill us, dead.
And as for gemming/enchanting, of course you would do so for STR > AP > Crit%, but there are some nice badge pieces out there that have +haste and AGI...
The second half of my comment was meant to be sarcastic, guess I forgot a ;) or whatever...
Lol... I'm hardly a Guru. There are plenty of other people on this board who know as much or more than me. For whatever reason I'm just the one that usually ends up butting heads with Theo. =/
DarkRein wrote:
I also am going to assume that his shown wep(the 2H High Warlord's Staff) is for aesthetics, and being a 375 BS he's DWing the Dragonstrike maces, right?
VGlad's Cleaver with executioner and VGlad's Chopper with mongoose.
Both can be seen in the video I linked.
Edit: for PvE, we can assume that he's DWing either his S3 weapons, or Dragonstrikes, whichever give more DPS (I'm unsure of how the haste proc effects shaman DPS, but I'd guess that the haste proc would put it ahead of S3 weapons).
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 1:32pm by Theophany
lolhumaninteraction wrote:
What battlegroup was he in? Some battlegroups have less competition to deal with so it's easier to hit 2000. Plus with alot of the good players on the Tourny Realm, there's let smart players to deal with. 2000 is EASY for some other classes...
Bloodlust, BG9, the "ultimate PvP BG" as some people call it.
Unless you're comparing Bloodlust to Emberstorm, there's not much difference in competition.
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I dunno bout you but if I can avoid one attack by dodging or nerf one damaging blow with added padding (and, I could be wrong, but I believe AGI has some sort of tie in to Stun resists),
agi doesnt do anything to stuns. agi only affects crit rate, dodge rate, armor, and ranged attack power (which shaman have no ranged attacks that use RAP, so moot point there).
generally for a shammy its better to stack as much AP as possible, both for the regen effect on SR and for the overall value it has as a DPS stat. crit is nice, but you get better returns from straight crit rating than you do from agi. same goes for dodge rating, but a DPS shammy doesnt want to waste itemization points on defensive stats. hence, agi aint bad, but going for raw str or AP is better overall. if you want crit, just use crit rating, and if you want dodge (for whatever reason) use dodge rating. if you want armor, find another way to get it besides stacking agi, because the conversion ratio of agi to armor (1 agi = 2 armor) is definetely not worth it.
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