This is a public service announcement, as I've seen two threads already today talking about "top end damage".
IT DOES NOT MATTER.
Your AVERAGE DAMAGE is what matters.
Learn your ******' class mechanics, people.
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On bosses, maybe. Damage on trash, average or not, means about as much as 4th place at the Olympics.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Demea wrote:
On bosses, maybe. Damage on trash, average or not, means about as much as 4th place at the Olympics.
Weapon damage, Demea.
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On bosses, maybe. Damage on trash, average or not, means about as much as 4th place at the Special Olympics.
^^ fixed
Edited, Jun 9th 2008 10:30pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Demea wrote:
On bosses, maybe. Damage on trash, average or not, means about as much as 4th place at the Olympics.
Weapon damage, Demea.
It's not my fault that you're ambiguous.
/shrug
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
#6REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 09 2008 at 8:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Now if you'd list the weapons where the higher top end damage does not also result in higher average... Think you're just splitting hairs here
Kanngarnix wrote:
Now if you'd list the weapons where the higher top end damage does not also result in higher average... Think you're just splitting hairs here
Heuh?
How about Hand of the Deceiver vs. Brutal Gladiator's Right Ripper.
Drakefist Hammer vs. Gladiator's Pummeler.
Or Claw of Molten Fury vs. Blade of Infamy.
Lots of other examples available.
Edited, Jun 10th 2008 2:48am by Prikker
Kanngarnix wrote:
Now if you'd list the weapons where the higher top end damage does not also result in higher average... Think you're just splitting hairs here
Like Prikker posted...
Yep, you're still a moron.
Easy enough to find out why Theo is right about this. You can find this on wowwiki:
For a combat rogue, your auto-attack and SS damage is the majority of your output and is calculated from your main hand weapon. "Weapon Damage" is the average of the low and top end of the weapon damage as noted in its tool-tip.
happy hunting
wowwiki wrote:
Auto-attack formula:
(Attack Power / 14) * Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage = Damage
Sinister strike (top rank) formula:
(Attack Power / 14) * Normalized Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage + 98 = Damage
Normalized weapon speeds are as follows:
* Dagger: 1.7
* 1H Melee: 2.4
* 2H Melee: 3.3
(Attack Power / 14) * Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage = Damage
Sinister strike (top rank) formula:
(Attack Power / 14) * Normalized Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage + 98 = Damage
Normalized weapon speeds are as follows:
* Dagger: 1.7
* 1H Melee: 2.4
* 2H Melee: 3.3
For a combat rogue, your auto-attack and SS damage is the majority of your output and is calculated from your main hand weapon. "Weapon Damage" is the average of the low and top end of the weapon damage as noted in its tool-tip.
happy hunting
Wait, you mean we're not in 1.6 any more?
for all you smart people
weapon DPS x weapon speed = average weapon damage
thats what you should go off of most of the time, not counting sh*tty weapons like failsteel longblade or sh*t like that
example
drakefist hammer
84.3 dps x 2.7 = 227.61 average damage
S1 MH mace
91.2 dps x 2.6 = 237.12 average damage
then you can judge, is my average damage difference + weapon stats/proc worth the switch?
in this case, id go S1 hammer... since i like that multitude of stats and higher damage over a haste proc
the easy way to figure out whatchu want..... just need calculator
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 2:47pm by mongoosexcore
weapon DPS x weapon speed = average weapon damage
thats what you should go off of most of the time, not counting sh*tty weapons like failsteel longblade or sh*t like that
example
drakefist hammer
84.3 dps x 2.7 = 227.61 average damage
S1 MH mace
91.2 dps x 2.6 = 237.12 average damage
then you can judge, is my average damage difference + weapon stats/proc worth the switch?
in this case, id go S1 hammer... since i like that multitude of stats and higher damage over a haste proc
the easy way to figure out whatchu want..... just need calculator
Edited, Jun 11th 2008 2:47pm by mongoosexcore
Or you could you know...use the DPS spreadhseet and know for a fact what will be an upgrade and what isn't.
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Or Claw of Molten Fury vs. Blade of Infamy.
Concerning this, as I am still retarded, which would be better? Assuming I am using badge fist OH, would staying with fists in both hands be better or would going Sword/Fist spec increase my damage with the extra attacks from Sword spec?
Weapons I have are, Blade of Infamy, both Hyjal trash fists, and the Badge OH fist. Best pair for raid dps would be... ?
Spreadsheet. Use it.
But, I Fist/Sword only works with Sword in off hand because the sword spec procs from the OH hit with the MH which gains the 5% crit from fist spec.
And honestly, I'm not sure whether Hyjal Fist/Hyjal Fist or Hyjal Fist/Badge Fist is better. Check the spreadsheet.
But, I Fist/Sword only works with Sword in off hand because the sword spec procs from the OH hit with the MH which gains the 5% crit from fist spec.
And honestly, I'm not sure whether Hyjal Fist/Hyjal Fist or Hyjal Fist/Badge Fist is better. Check the spreadsheet.
GodOfMoo wrote:
Spreadsheet. Use it.
But, I Fist/Sword only works with Sword in off hand because the sword spec procs from the OH hit with the MH which gains the 5% crit from fist spec.
And honestly, I'm not sure whether Hyjal Fist/Hyjal Fist or Hyjal Fist/Badge Fist is better. Check the spreadsheet.
But, I Fist/Sword only works with Sword in off hand because the sword spec procs from the OH hit with the MH which gains the 5% crit from fist spec.
And honestly, I'm not sure whether Hyjal Fist/Hyjal Fist or Hyjal Fist/Badge Fist is better. Check the spreadsheet.
Hyjal/badge is better than hyjal/hyjal.
Badge/badge is better still, though I think other upgrades will probably be better than the badge MH at that point.
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Spreadsheet. Use it.
Agreed.
But as an aside, you are better off actually knowing the mechanics than just trusting an automated formula. I know many, many players who have high imba scores but are in actuality terribad. Usually when I start asking questions and having a conversation with these people, they invariably note that "well, my belt is #2 on such-and-such list, so, like, I'm awesome." Which, invariably, they are not ;P
Things like the rogue spreadsheet, maxdps, warlocks den, the tankadin epic list, etc are all useful sources of information and comparative analysis. But you can't replace knowledge with automation.
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