Alright so im semi-new to the rogue sceneFollow

I currently have a lv 38 Bloodelf Combat Rogue

My alt (used to be main) was a lv 70 Feral Druid (Now by some sick perversion of nature hes Resto)

Now my spec I plan to roll with until you guys butcher it is 14/42/5

http://thottbot.com/?ti=Rogue#bS3/bE5gb2wrr/E

(Not sure if it will show it all or not but hey lets try)

I currently use a Dagger in the Mainhand with a sword in offhand, I found the incresed 5% crit and the backstab/ambush to be very handy (Backstab currently can crit for 400-500 while ambush 500-700)

My white dmg crits tend to be in the 110-130 range and SS crits in the 130-200 range. I feel like Im kicking *** (Am I permitted to say this?) But give your feedback

I plan to raid/pvp/arena.

Questions: 1. Does Strength do anything for me as a rogue?

Assassaination Build seems good for pvp but that depends on me being behind the target, which Ill be behind them like 25% of the time in pvp(Less if they are those damn CSS Jumping rogues/war/druid/warlock).

So If I went swords Id drop Dagger Spec for Sword Spec and pray for procs? That doesnt seem right to me....

Everytime ive dueled an Assassian Build Rogue they done their lil Ha I was behind you and look I did so much damage...but now Im not and I would just rip them in half with my Combat (Maybe because its too early to decide).

Also is it better to have a slow offhand or a slow mainhand, I forgot the order.

I always enjoyed the best of both worlds, enjoying those crits on scrubs and yet enjoying my sustained dps when needed.
So Muty doesnt sound like my cup of tea...despite me hating tea.

So no one has tried a Combat Dagger and SWORD? Cause you make it sound like its either Daggers or Swords not a mix.

Mouse turning in combination with your stuns should suffice for positioning. PvP success is all about adaptability and quick-thinking. See Theo's PvP guide for some more info. But realize that PvP and PvE builds are different. You can't have the best at both in one build. Period.


The end result, not the way it "seems", is what we're after. See http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16940-roguecraft_101_a/ for an analysis. Or better yet, do some yourself. Get Recount (damage meter add-on) and see the difference for yourself while out there grinding.


Just looking at big crit numbers does not make you good. Mut is more burst, combat is not. In a raid you actually don't want burst normally as much as you want the highest consistent damage possible. In PvP the positioning thing comes down to your skill.


For combat builds: Highest average damage main, fastest off. For Mut it's different (I think I had 1.8 speed in both hands when I went Mut).


Again, there is no perfect build that is optimal for both pvp and pve. There are compromises and the further you move through the levels, the more this becomes clear. Most cross-over players I know go Mut to be viable in arena and early raiding (kara/gruul/mags).


Of course people try. There is a post about this at least once a week here and every time the poster gets all uppity that their "revolutionary" idea isn't so revolutionary. Matter of fact is that this arrangement falls short of Combat Swords (for PvE) AND Mut or ShS (for PvP). I am currently in a mixed build (combat fist/sword) but this is a stop-gap until I grab the other fist. But I know that I'm losing a small amount of DPS compared to what I'll have when I spec back to a single specialization.


Finally, read the stickies. Just about all of this info is here on the forum already. Happy hunting.

Edited, Jun 9th 2008 5:31pm by TherionSaysWhat

I read that post(On EJ) and now my eyes have been opened, Ill respec asap since I just got sword of omen and Vanquishers sword. Ill miss the 5% but now I wont be so positional. Garrote works without daggers right? Ill add SnD back to my bar and take BS and Ambush out (Although I think on a realistic level you can Ambush anyone with anything but w/e Blizz)