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SPriests and WandsFollow

#1 Jun 09 2008 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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I just started up an SPriest, and have been looking at the stickies, and trolling around this forum. Anyway, I see a lot of people talking about wands, and how useful they are.

I've also got a mage. And honestly, my mage barely ever uses his wand. It's there pretty much for stats. The only times I ever used it was when taking on a mob that ate up my mana, or if I needed to drop aggro in a group. Those times a few and far between.

So when would a SPriest use a wand? I usually use all my spells to kill mobs, but I may be missing something. Any insight would be appreciated. Maybe a spell rotation?

I think I may still be stuck in mage-mode, which is why I might not be doing things right.

Thanks.
#2 Jun 09 2008 at 6:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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As Shadow your first five points go into Spirit Tap, which is the chocolate cupcake with sprinkles on top of talents. To maximize its wholesome efficiency goodness, it's nice to stop casting 5 seconds before the fight ends. Use your spells til the mob is at maybe 30%, then wand it to death. You will be at full mana (and once you get Vampiric Embrace, health as well) by the time you get to the next mob. You will never have to eat or drink, rarely even have to bandage. You can grind endlessly, until your thumb falls off and your eyeballs start to bleed, pausing only to get more of the caffeinated beverage of your choice. It's great stuff.

My mage barely uses her wand either, but you'll find that the playstyle of a priest is very different.
#3 Jun 10 2008 at 4:32 AM Rating: Good
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Thank you teacake. I'll try that. With my current playstyle, I do have to drink every 5-6 mobs. It's kind of annoying....and now I know why :)

I appreciate the help.
#4 Jun 10 2008 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Agree with teacake. While you're leveling, the ONLY piece of gear you must be sure to upgrade consistently is your wand. If you can get some or all of your Spirit Tap to go off at full strength, you're golden.

In terms of overall gear desires (not to divert the conversation or anything), your stat priorities should be: 1) spell damage/shadow damage, 2) spirit, 3) stamina and intellect. The more +damage you have, the faster mobs die, and they require fewer casts to kill, thus saving mana and additional time spent not drinking. Spirit is HUGE regardless of your spec, both for shadowpriests with Spirit Tap and other specs through Meditation. Stamina and intellect are distant third; I lump them together because neither are really something to focus on. Obviously you need some of each, but neither of them should be stacked (unless you PvP a lot, necessitating much stamina).
#5 Jun 11 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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ChahDresh wrote:
Agree with teacake. While you're leveling, the ONLY piece of gear you must be sure to upgrade consistently is your wand. If you can get some or all of your Spirit Tap to go off at full strength, you're golden.

In terms of overall gear desires (not to divert the conversation or anything), your stat priorities should be: 1) spell damage/shadow damage, 2) spirit, 3) stamina and intellect. The more +damage you have, the faster mobs die, and they require fewer casts to kill, thus saving mana and additional time spent not drinking. Spirit is HUGE regardless of your spec, both for shadowpriests with Spirit Tap and other specs through Meditation. Stamina and intellect are distant third; I lump them together because neither are really something to focus on. Obviously you need some of each, but neither of them should be stacked (unless you PvP a lot, necessitating much stamina).


In the lower levels go for spirit and int and sta. Those will help you level up better. spell damage is more useful when you start hitting outland.
#6 Jun 12 2008 at 6:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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An excellent wand can be gotten from this quest (and it *is* available to both factions):

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=6561

http://www.wowhead.com/?search=Blackfathom+Villainy

That wand lasted me from level 20 something all the way to level 40. There are also some other nice pieces in Blackfathom Deeps for priests (as well as other casters) but you will have to take your chances with rolls. The wand is guaranteed as it is a quest reward.

As teacake mentioned, the playstyle is very different from mage to priest. With spirit tap, being out of the five second rule makes a huge difference and wanding is what does that for you.

For leveling, I got myself some pieces "of the Owl" and "Of the Whale". Nice for priests and usually pretty cheap. Mid-level you can find some decent plus damage tailored pieces.





Edited, Jun 12th 2008 11:05pm by Miskreant
#7 Jun 14 2008 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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from 20-41 I did, Holy Fire > Mind Blast > Shadow Word: Pain > Wand > Mob Dies > Flash Heal > start next fight full health/mana
#8 Jun 15 2008 at 8:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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As soon as you step into Outlands, make sure one of the 1st quests you do is:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=10482
It's a reasonably simple 'kill X bad guys' quest. (Alliance BTW, there may be a Horde equivalent quest)
I had little trouble picking off loose singles and putting them down as a 59 SPriest

And one of the rewards is this:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=29915

It is likely to be better than anything you got in Azeroth.



Edited, Jun 16th 2008 4:21am by Fraeky

Edited, Jun 16th 2008 4:23am by Fraeky
#9 Jun 16 2008 at 2:46 AM Rating: Decent
OK, I'm very new to WoW and Shadow Priests. I've been reading a lot of stuff here and trying to figure things out. But this thread raised a question: does it matter what kind of damage your wand does? or is the dps of the wand more important? Specifically, does a wand with shadow damage give benefits through VE and VT?

Thanks for any pointers.
#10 Jun 16 2008 at 4:26 AM Rating: Good
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No, VE and VT do not work with shadow wands. I believe Shadow Weaving does, but that's not worth using an outdated wand for. Just look for the best DPS wand you can find.
#11 Jun 17 2008 at 6:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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teacake wrote:
No, VE and VT do not work with shadow wands. I believe Shadow Weaving does, but that's not worth using an outdated wand for. Just look for the best DPS wand you can find.


And stats. Gotsta have the stats. At least, later on. A good wand will not only have a decent DPS rating, it'll also fill in (or augment) some of your key stats.
#12 Jun 19 2008 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I too just started a priest...at lvl 10 now. I decided to go shadow/disc to level, and I have a quick question about the way I should spend the talent points. I've read plenty of different guides, and read through a lot of the threads already, though unless I'm just blind (which is very possible) I didn't see anything that answered this question.

Some of the builds I read through said to spec through shadow all the way until you get to VT, then start spreading into disc at lvl 51 with imp wand. Since it seems like to level using wands are so useful after getting spirit tap, would it be wiser to spend the 5 points in imp wand at 15-19, or wait until lvl 51 to start branching out into disc? Also, if I do end up throwing the 5 points in imp wand at lvl 15-19, should i go another 3 lvls and spend it in imp shield before going back to shadow?
#13 Jun 19 2008 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bartonius wrote:

Since it seems like to level using wands are so useful after getting spirit tap, would it be wiser to spend the 5 points in imp wand at 15-19, or wait until lvl 51 to start branching out into disc? Also, if I do end up throwing the 5 points in imp wand at lvl 15-19, should i go another 3 lvls and spend it in imp shield before going back to shadow?


It really depends on your own personal preference. I read a few different guides also, some suggested going straight shadow, some suggested going right for wand specialization. This is what I did:

Level 10-14 Spirit tap
Level 15-16 Improved Shadow word pain
Level 17-21 Wand specialization


I chose to fill out Imp. SW:P because while you are wanding away, you won't have to stop to refresh your dot, it will still keep on ticking. To me this gave me the best return, mobs died pretty fast and I got the full benefit of spirit tap, because I didn't have to cast any other spells after my initial ones.

From then on you can go back in and fill out your shadow tree, or continue with discipline talents. If you plan on continuing as shadow, then at level 40 you should get a respec going straight shadow so you can pick up shadowform.

#14 Jun 19 2008 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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If you plan on continuing as shadow, then at level 40 you should get a respec going straight shadow so you can pick up shadowform.


I do plan on going shadow most likely until lvl 70, then respeccing to holy/disc, so thanks for this piece of info. Also, great idea with the imp. sw: pain...I didn't even think about that. I'm sure it gets easier to lvl when you start getting specced out, but man leveling from 6-10 was such a pain! Not used to being a clothie yet I guess.
#15 Jun 19 2008 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Miskreant wrote:
If you plan on continuing as shadow, then at level 40 you should get a respec going straight shadow so you can pick up shadowform.


IMO, this is really the key. Spend your points how you think they'll be most immediately useful, then respec later for the big stuff. With most classes you can do this and then respec at 40 or 50 to pick up the 31 or 41 point talent.

Personally I kept thinking I'd pop over for Wand Specialization early, but found too much good stuff in the Shadow tree to leave. First I wanted Mind Flay, then Vampiric Embrace, then Shadowform. Once I got VT I moved over to Discipline tree, and now at level 58 I'm working toward Meditation. But that's personal preference. You use your wand a lot, so getting it early is certainly one way to go.
#16 Jun 19 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bartonius wrote:
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If you plan on continuing as shadow, then at level 40 you should get a respec going straight shadow so you can pick up shadowform.


I do plan on going shadow most likely until lvl 70, then respeccing to holy/disc, so thanks for this piece of info. Also, great idea with the imp. sw: pain...I didn't even think about that. I'm sure it gets easier to lvl when you start getting specced out, but man leveling from 6-10 was such a pain! Not used to being a clothie yet I guess.


Before level 10 can be a bit harsh, as you have to rely on smite a bit to get going, but at level 5 you can start using a wand. I used the one that enchanters make, as the dps was really good for that level. Good news, it only gets better from here on in, I really enjoyed level 30 plus. Not that I didn't have fun before that, but things just seemed to really pick up in the thirties and forties.

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I do plan on going shadow most likely until lvl 70, then respeccing to holy/disc


Hee hee, I was planning to do that myself but found I loved being shadow too much to switch... *grin*

teacake wrote:
IMO, this is really the key. Spend your points how you think they'll be most immediately useful, then respec later for the big stuff. With most classes you can do this and then respec at 40 or 50 to pick up the 31 or 41 point talent.


Yep, never be afraid to respec if you aren't happy with something or just need to tinker around. When I first started playing WoW, I was really worried about making mistakes with my talents and respeccing, but it really isn't a big deal. I've never even come close to forking over 50g for a respec, but I know lots of folks who do that two or three times a week.

When I was first getting into priests...( oh dear, does that sound naughty? I don't care!) I had my Blood elf priest at a little higher than my Draenei priest for a bit and I just noticed for me at level 20-ish that my mindflay was just sort of weak.

I decided to respec and go over to wands at that level and it was something that had worked for me. When I leveled my Draenei I decided to just follow what I had already tested on my other character. After I got shadowform at 40 I went and filled out all the other good shadow talents, went back and worked my way down to meditation. It really comes down to what fits in with one's personal playstyle.



Edited, Jun 19th 2008 2:36pm by Miskreant
#17 Jun 20 2008 at 5:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Just got a brand new wand for my toon, and I cant believe what I was missing from level 5-10! What a difference it makes. Anyway thank you all for the input. Can't wait to start healing for some instances =)
#18 Jul 01 2008 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Mind flay sucks till about Rank 3(lv 36), after that its actually worth spending mana on.
#19 Jul 01 2008 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
Mind Flay is still usefull at the lower levels for slowing down those runaway mobs...
#20 Jul 05 2008 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
Guys is it worth looking for wands that deal in shadow damage over another wand that has higher dps? Right now my wand is shadow with a dps around 20 but there is an arcane wand with a dps of 25 available to get... which would be the better choice. There are no stats so just base dps is involved.
#21 Jul 05 2008 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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perkin wrote:
Guys is it worth looking for wands that deal in shadow damage over another wand that has higher dps? Right now my wand is shadow with a dps around 20 but there is an arcane wand with a dps of 25 available to get... which would be the better choice. There are no stats so just base dps is involved.


Higher DPS.
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