Hit cap vs Haste vs Crit?Follow

Ola

I was just wondering a few thingy's about end game rogues

First of all this is my sneaky *******
Armory-link

As you can see I made the hit cap of 363.

Now there is a few thingy's that you need to know about my gameplay.
Im going for hard white damage so no crit spikes but pure flatline white damage which provides me with a steady solid dps which allows me to controle my agro extremely well during boss fights.

Now I been taking some looks around rogues from the HC - guilds on our server. People who clear BT/SWP and ofc have the ultimate dream gear :P

And I see loads of them sacrifice tons of there hit for haste gear.
Now what I wanted to know am I an idiot for chasing my hit cap? I see these bad *** geared rogues with missing like more then 100 hit rating but ofc with a nice haste rating.

If you had to choose what would you do? Im under the impression that I need to keep my hit cap and work as high as I can on my ATP. Ok haste is nice and Im sure it will on times outdamage hit rating gear but I also think there are times that hit gear out damage haste rating gear by a long shot, since our attacks allmost will land every time where there attacks will miss much more then ours.

Tell me what you would do if you had the choise?

for the record I think I sacrificed about 100 atp to get my hit cap, if I change it I lose about 40-60 hit.

There's a common misconception about caps. Caps are not number which you must reach... caps are number which you must NOT reach, unless you want to waste points.

This being said, I can't reply to your specific question since I'm not a pve guru. All I can say is based on life experience: there's usually a curve of benefits with diminishing returns. So it might not make sense to have 100% of your hit cap (and sacrifice a lot for it) and consequently have no/liss haste... when you could probably have a decent amount of hit and haste and benefit more from this on the overall.

nostra

Nothing wrong with capping hit, just don't be afraid of upgrading with gear that has other stats. Hit(and wpn expertise) is great for a combat build as you maximize your combat potency potential. Any +hit over the special attack cap(9%) only benefits your white dam and 'on hit' procs(which includes combat potency so it does effect yellow dam in a synergistic fashion, this also includes poison/sword spec/wf procs). Haste acts nearly identically to hit, more 'on hit' procs and more white dam. As stats haste and hit effectively do the same things, with the added incentive that hit increases the value of haste. As white dam + 'on hit' procs make up 65%+ of your total dam for a standard combat sword/mace/fist build this means stacking hit/wpn expertise and haste is an extremely effective way to maximize your dps.

As you are currently at the hit cap(which is extreme overkill for anything thats not a raid boss, swap 3-4% hit for crit/ap gear for trash/heroics) any haste rating you can add will be a noticeable increase in your dps as you will be getting nearly maximum potential from that haste(you aren't expertise capped so you'll still have 3-4% or so of your white attacks dodged).

The only time you ever have a non Hit/Agi Gem in your gear is when you are putting gems in for activating your meta socket.

If you have AP/Crit in your gem slots, you need to go stab yourself in the hand so you can't gem anything.

not completely correct. this depends on talents on gear. if you have some screwed up build this might be the case, but agi will always add more dps than AP.
the only problem is getting more agi costs a lot. the budget rogue will go AP because 12AP > 6 AGI in most spreadsheet setups. (for newish 70s). the price is affordable too.

if your in T5+ raiding content with ap gems then your just lazy and are gimping yourself.


Edited, Jun 9th 2008 4:43pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator

I think you misunderstood him Theo. He's saying to switch out gear...not gems.

Anybody else notice he doesn't even have a meta? So all those blue gems are completely worthless.

My bad, read it wrong.

well your wrong, T4 is much better than Cowl of defiance, the increase in AP and Hit isn't enough to Counter the loss of a meta gem

Helm of the Claw is better than Cowl of Defiance as well due to the meta gem socket. I learned this only after I had sold my Helm of the Claw after getting the Cowl.

And we've been talking about PvP when? If the OP has a hit rating of 363 for PvP he has other issues...

But you should only ever gem as follows:

PvE:
Meta: 12 Agi/3% crit damage (Relentless Earthstorm Diamond)
Red: hit/Agi (4/4 as blue quality, 5/5 as epic)
Yellow: hit (8 as blue, 10 as epic)
Blue: 2x Agi/stam to activate meta (4/6 as blue, 5/7 as epic)

PvP:
Meta: 24 AP/runspeed (ShS) or 12 crit/5% snare resist (Mut)
Red: AP
Yellow: 2x crit/AP gems (4/8 as blue quality, 5/10 as epic) to activate meta
Blue: None in our PvP gear, LOL!

So yes, in PvP you gem AP. But never in PvE.

Just a small question

1 agi = 2 atp?

Yes and crit/dodge and armor.. and i see you've taken our advice and put on the T4 helmet :)