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#1 Jun 06 2008 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
I just bought the game today and the priest class looks really good to me, but I read a lot in message boards about a priest being weak and kind of boring. But I was wondering if thats really true? None of my other friends really care about the game, so if I play alone alot as a priest is that a problem because they dont wear stronger armor? Is there a good race for priests? Sorry if I sound really dumb but if you guys could help that would be great, thanx.
#2 Jun 06 2008 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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Mmm... I just started playing my priest again (lvl 14) and I'm loving it. Also had a main Priest on Euro servers before moving back to the States.

But, saying that... As a starter priest, you're weak, no if ands or buts. If you are leveling alone it is a slow process, and you will die often (which is why I gave my priest a break - let him chill out in Stormwind for a while and drink a few beers).
The reason I'm back to him is that there's a few members of my guild who are low level, so I decided to pull my priest off his barstool (can of worms there), to help them out. As a pure healer, I'm having a blast, but, I'm running in a solid group that understands each other's play style and is providing support (mmm...tempted to tie in the barstool comment with some sorta AA joke...) to keep me alive as I keep them alive.

It all depends on what you'll be happy doing. There are 3 healing classes in game if a healer you wish to be:

Druid:
who can heal and also transform into a bear or cat form, which allows some impressive damage alongside some quality healing abilities. The druid can later re-specialize (respec) for a restoration build (resto) which is VERY efficient at healing a group. You can easily solo (run without a group) a Druid character and still make levels easily.

Shaman:
who can do massive damage per second (dps) as an melee or spell cater specializaion yet have fantastic healing ability. He/she can also respecialize later to become an VERY efficient healer for a group. You can also easily level a Shaman (usually if Enhancement spec).

Priest:
which as a spell caster has some great attacks as a Shadow specialization and is feared by all. BUT if the priest is specializing as a 'holy' (healing) spec, there is no better support class in the game. I mean it's cool: You have to keep track of the health of YOUR (yes, when I play my Priest it is 'MY' Party) PARTY members, and constantly make judgements on the various heals needed at specific times. It's probably one of the cooler classes to play in that regard, as instead of button smashing, you actually have to make intelligent on the spot decisions to keep the party alive and functioning.

If you're looking to engage directly in combat, its best to make a different choice.

Also, as a priest, if you're with random groups (which you'll often hook up with in the game to complete objectives), you have a good chance of taking a lot of crap from some arrogant jerk(s) who can't play properly and is(are) looking for someone to blame for his/her/their own shortcomings. Unfortunately, if there's a bunch of idiots in the party who die, cuz, well, they're idiots, you'll take the blame. If the group completes a major quest, they'll forget about how you brought them all back from the brink of death and give glory to the tanks (the up close melee guys/gals, who you'll be keeping alive), so it often tends to be a thankless job, but don't let it get you down.

IF you're with your guild or your friends, they'll appreciate you and acknowledge your efforts.

Good luck on your choice and have fun. :)

Oh, and welcome aboard.
#3 Jun 06 2008 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Personally, I think priest is one of the most enjoyable classes in the game to play. Am I biased? Sure I am; my main character is a priest. However, I have leveled every class to at least level 60 (except mage), most to 70. I can honestly say that I enjoyed the progression and flexibility of playing a priest moreso than any other.

Are priests "weak?" Sure, if by "weak" you mean that they cannot take or deal lots of pure physical damage. However, we have ways of negating or avoiding that damage, and (especially if spec'ed properly) we can deal LOTS of non-physical damage. You don't wear bulky armor or carry oversized, cartoonish weapons. Priest damage and survival is more elegant than that. As for being weak, once you reach level 70, a properly played shadow priest will be at the top or in-contention for the top spots on damage charts for quite some time.

Do you like to support a party by healing? Unless you have a regular group with which you are going to party, this is probably what you will be doing on your way to the level cap, regardless of whether you choose to be shadow (damage dealer spec), holy (healing spec), or discipline (survivalist spec). Get a feel for healing, and see if you like it.

One of the good things about WoW is that you don't HAVE to be in groups in order to advance. If you want to play by yourself, advancing through quests and experience, you can. If you want to group to go through dungeons or take down more difficult quests, you can. Your playstyle can be made whatever you want it to be. If your friends aren't into playing, that is fine. Roll solo. A shadow-spec'd priest is widely regarded as one of the best solo'ing class/specs in the game.

As for rolling a priest, I completely advocate it. Be different. Almost everyone starts with a hunter, rogue, warlock, or mage. These classes can indeed be fun, but as for me, I have found few players that have played a priest into late-game content who did not fully vouch for it.

One last thing, OzoneSSX: Don't forget the paladin. One of the best single-target healers in the game, at the moment. You must be a Hordie like me... I still haven't fully recognized them as being one of us, either ;-)

Edited for readability.

Edited, Jun 6th 2008 3:11pm by Acoe
#4 Jun 06 2008 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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i have to say some things...
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There are 3 healing classes in game if a healer you wish to be:
first and foremost there are 4 healing classes: priest drood shamy and PALA! dont forget Paladins which are really good healers and wear plate :P

and imho u do not die often. get a good wand (enchanting wands are great for the first 20 lvl's) and you have heal... shield..fear... etc..
i hardly died on my priest when i leveled him up. I went shadow for the great firepower and wonderful tools in that tree, and u can still heal pre-BC instances with no trouble.


my first advice to the OP is to read the nice litle guides given by this forum. Then log in and have a blast. It might seem a bit hard at first but once you get the hang of it, you will love it.

Cheers

Edit:
Reply in the same time ftw :)) right?

Edited, Jun 6th 2008 10:19pm by Tehnomage
#5 Jun 06 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Tehnomage wrote:
i have to say some things...
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There are 3 healing classes in game if a healer you wish to be:
first and foremost there are 4 healing classes: priest drood shamy and PALA! dont forget Paladins which are really good healers and wear plate :P


Acoe wrote:
One last thing, OzoneSSX: Don't forget the paladin. One of the best single-target healers in the game, at the moment. You must be a Hordie like me... I still haven't fully recognized them as being one of us, either ;-)


My bad.

Edited, Jun 6th 2008 5:53pm by OzoneSSX
#6 Jun 06 2008 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
I am at level 4 but I am looking at professions. Tailoring looks good, dont know my second. But I was looking at herbalism and alchemy, any tips?
#7 Jun 06 2008 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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I have a lvl 57 priest at the moment, and she does Herbalism & Alchemy. I figured I'd stick with that until I hit lvl 70, then drop herbalism for Tailoring (you can make some pretty good gear with maxed-out Tailoring). Then I can still make potions, just buy the materials for it instead of farming them myself. You can make decent money with Alchemy as you level, also, if you take the time to watch what sells well (on my server, anything geared toward hunters tends to sell well :P)
So to sum it up, I'd say go for it and have fun!
#8 Jun 06 2008 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
Well, first off, Welcome to WoW, JessicaStarr. I'm happy you're playing, or I'm sorry you have started your addiction, as the case my be.

Just a note about priests, after level 6ish, the going starts to be tough. It pickes up again around level 40ish. You will notice it get a bit easier every level, but all in all, 40 is where you will really notice the take off in easy of playing.

Race wise, it's basicly a toss up. I have a Draenei myself, and I wouldn't trade Symbol of Hope (SoH) for the world. That's alliance side. Horde side, I have no clue what is best.

If you play alone, you'll find it easier to play as Shadow as you level. Most priests level as shadow until around level 60ish. Then they will either continue as shadow if they intend to stay so at 70, or spec holy and learn to be a better healer before they hit 70. As shadow, things will drop like flies once you get Shadow Form. (that whole taking off at level 40 thing means this) All in all, you have to ask yourself what you want to do. DO you want to be the guiding force behind the group, making them stay alive in really bad situations where one mistake by you can cause the whole thing to come crumbling down? Maybe you want to give back to the group by dealing damage quickly, but having to watch how much you do else the bad thingers start to pay attention to you and you realise that silk blouses don't stop swords often? I prefer holy myself. I raid in end game content (really hard places with thingers that really hurt, all 25 of the players at once.) As OzoneSSX said, it is a very thankless job. Most people prefer to have either a Paladin or Druid heal a group of 5 people. Mainly cause there are a lot of bad priests. In the end, it's your game, so how do you want to play it?

As to the boring part of priests, it's far from so. Well, at least healing isn't IMO. Most other healers have 2 or 3 buttons they push. I have 9 buttons for heals. (yes, I use all of them in a run of something and only one is a downranked) Add in 2 for regen, 2 for "OH NOES!" times and 1 for dealing some damage. The thing that seprates bad priests from good priests is simple: We have many heals and they are all useful at some points, but not at others. Priest healers have to think as they do what they do, but keeping your 5 person group up is easiest as a priest, since you have so many tools to do the job. Toss in the fact you can react to things better (all those tools) and you have an intresting, involving and satasfing game play.

As to your professions, I'd suggest taking Herbing and Tailoring. You can make your own armor as Tailor, and herbing alows you to pick some flowers. Those flowers can then be made into potions by other players or sold for cash. As a starting player, you aren't going to have much money for a while, and these professions help to offset that a bit, without going for a min/max style of play. In the end, any combo works, as long as you enjoy it. Or you can go very strange and take Engineering and mining. Funny things happen to Engineers, but I won't spoil the suprises. ^.^

All in all, it's up to you. The best way to find your personal choice is to ask how you naturally act in real life. If you sheppard or help from behind the sceans, you'll do well as a healer type. If you like to use brain over brawn, priest is prob for you. Best advice I can give with out going into too much depth. ^.^

Linky to my toon: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Niveus
(might be PvP speced as I'm starting to enjoy Arena now)

Good luck to you and keep us updated on your progress! ^.^

EDIT: Added thoughts on Professions and the fact I'm prob Disc speced for PvP action right now.

Edited, Jun 7th 2008 2:07am by Sioniv
#9 Jun 07 2008 at 4:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Welcome!

Priests are not weak (boring is subjective). You can either deal damage or heal in groups.

I advise leveling up the Shadow tree for solo efficiency. You can still heal in groups for a long time even without putting your points into healing talents. I honestly haven't yet had a weak moment leveling Shadow (my priest is level 53), have never had any problems soloing quests at any level. The first five talent points you use immediately make your life a lot easier.

As Shadow you are very strong in solo play as long as you play wisely. Read the guides here, starting with the "Guides and FAQs" link at the top of this page, but in a nutshell: equipment-wise look for spirit and a good wand at early levels, use your spells until the thing is two-thirds-dead, then wand it to death. Heal yourself as needed. Once you get a talent called Vampiric Embrace self healing will rarely/never be necessary, and it just gets easier from there.

For professions: I do not advise tailoring for this character for you, simply because it's your first character and you need money. Tailoring is expensive to level and there's also the opportunity cost of not auctioning your cloth, which can earn you a fair amount. I recommend Skinning/Herbalism or Skinning/Mining. Auction everything you gather, as well as any cloth you're not using to level up your First Aid. You really don't need to upgrade your equipment more than every 7-10 levels. In that way you'll have plenty of money for mounts and whatever else you need.

I also recommend taking all three secondary professions: Fishing, Cooking, and First Aid. Use the bandages you make to heal yourself between fights to save on mana. Use the food you cook for great food buffs that will help you in solo play. Use fishing to level up cooking and to make money - auction anything you don't cook.

Just my 2 cents. Be sure to look at the guides! I too was worried about a priest's solo viability but I'm having a blast with mine.


Edited, Jun 7th 2008 8:51am by teacake
#10 Jun 07 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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OP, I had the exact same problem when I started my priest. Fortunately, she wasn't my first toon so I knew what to do to make soloing easier. Priests are weak in their early levels, that's why I tried to avoid yellow quests and focus on the green ones. Killing mobs can be slow sometimes but you have to realize priests are fragile, don't try harder mobs if they only lead you to death, which costs even more time to level up. Try to do instances, people love us even if you are a shadow priest, our dps sucks early on anyway. Remember, I leveled my hunter to 70 then went to leveling a priest, it sucks big time because my hunter could solo multiple elites in early levels but my priest could not. Read the FAQs in the sticky and grind you way through, priests get a lot better after 40 or something, depends on your skill and gear.
#11 Jun 10 2008 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
Welcome to World of Warcraft

The most common profession for the priests on my server seems to be tailoring and enchanting or alchemy/herbalism. Tailoring is useful at the higher levels with the gear that you can make as well
as the bags that you can make as a tailor. Picking enchanting is known to be a money sink and may
not be advised for a first character.
#12 Jun 11 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Luraz wrote:
I have a lvl 57 priest at the moment, and she does Herbalism & Alchemy. I figured I'd stick with that until I hit lvl 70, then drop herbalism for Tailoring (you can make some pretty good gear with maxed-out Tailoring). Then I can still make potions, just buy the materials for it instead of farming them myself. You can make decent money with Alchemy as you level, also, if you take the time to watch what sells well (on my server, anything geared toward hunters tends to sell well :P)
So to sum it up, I'd say go for it and have fun!


This is what I did on my main (a Holy Priest). Herbalism/Alchemy's good (and both are REALLY easy to get skill capped with). I decided, after hitting 70, to drop Herbalism for Tailoring and he's now wearing 3/3 Primal Mooncloth Vestements. Gotta love 35% of your spirit based mana regen continuing while casting (with 3/3 Meditation). If my Bangle of Many Blessings procs, that's 50% while casting. Gotta love being able to rez everyone else in a 5 man or 10 man raid and STILL come out with more mana that you started with. Smiley: grin

The prices of herbs can make this an expensive way to handle it, though. Still, with the ease of making money with all the dailies available at 70, it's a very doable way to do it. And being an Elixir Master (since I tend to use a LOT of elixirs) makes it an better deal when buying the herbs.

The one recommendation that I'd make is KEEP YOUR WAND UP TO DATE! Early on, you'll use it a lot. And until about level 20 or so, your wand will end up doing more damage than your spells for a while. Even later on, you'll use it a lot while grinding on quest mobs due to Spirit Tap and the 5 Second Rule.
#13 Jun 11 2008 at 3:44 PM Rating: Default
Priest is Awesome at 70 because at 70 you realize that you have just spent a rediculous amount of time lvling up a character and you really enjoy playing it. but the problem is getting to 70. Its very tidious you cant usually take more than 2 mobs at one time because ull go oom and really you need to have some good gear/money to excel in the later levels. but if you think you can stick through the most painful lvling of your life (besides pallies, dont get me started) but want a class this is amazing at 70 go for priest if your looking for something easy to level then roll out a hunter or warlock they are very easy and do not require the pain and suffering as a priest does :P
#14 Jun 14 2008 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
whats so bad about leveling the paladin lol
#15 Jun 17 2008 at 7:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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divinitywithin wrote:
Priest is Awesome at 70 because at 70 you realize that you have just spent a rediculous amount of time lvling up a character and you really enjoy playing it. but the problem is getting to 70. Its very tidious you cant usually take more than 2 mobs at one time because ull go oom and really you need to have some good gear/money to excel in the later levels. but if you think you can stick through the most painful lvling of your life (besides pallies, dont get me started) but want a class this is amazing at 70 go for priest if your looking for something easy to level then roll out a hunter or warlock they are very easy and do not require the pain and suffering as a priest does :P


Well, this is purely subjective.

Leveling is not a huge issue, especially with the changes that were made in patch 2.3. I leveled my priest 1-70 in 25 days played and that time included fishing, cooking, goofing around, not to mention leveling my other professions. I had a great time also, and with spirit tap, a good wand and some decent gear (not uber, just decent) I noticed very little down time.


divinitywithin wrote:
do not require the pain and suffering as a priest does


My leveling wasn't all superhappyfuntime, but hardly pain and suffering. :)

I think it depends on how you choose to spend your time, your playstyle as well as your character specific talents. I do agree about the paladin leveling ( I tried, didn't like it due to just being boring) but again that is purely subjective. Simply because I didn't "get" paladin doesn't mean everybody's experience is going to be the same as mine.
#16 Jun 17 2008 at 4:15 PM Rating: Default
What is the best way to level a priest, any tips or suggestions? I was thinking blood elf, or is there something better? I tried leveling before and it was almost impossible for me. Maybe I am too impetuous and try to take on too much but can anyone help me?
#17 Jun 18 2008 at 3:47 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I guess I could copy/paste my response from right up there, but chances are you won't read it the second time either.

Short answer: read the stickies.
#18 Jun 18 2008 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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Choose gear with spirit, stamina or both.

Spend your money to get great wands off the auction house. Otherwise, save it for a mount.
Put your first five points in Spirit Tap, your next five points in Wand Specialization, your next two points in Improved Shadow Word Pain, and go down the shadow tree from there. At 40, respec to Shadowform.

Learn how to pull and when to run.
#19 Jun 18 2008 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
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whats so bad about leveling the paladin lol


This is a view left over from Vanilla WoW, when Paladin leveling was extremely slow due to having no viable DPS trees (Retribution, which was the DPS tree then and now, was considered the "gimp warrior tree"... and it was).

These days, Paladins can level fairly quickly as Retribution. They'll have an innate speed increase, and they do a lot more damage than in the days of yore. Leveling as holy will still be slow, but that's the same for any healing class leveling as a healing spec (there's a reason the holy leveling tree is called "lolsmite" for priests, right?). Protection will be give and take; you're gimped on casters, but you can take down droves of melee attackers at once. Protection Paladins after they get Holy Shield are the best AoE farmers out there besides mages. Of course, that also gimps their quest speed, so again: give and take.

But the idea that Paladins (or really, any class with the right gear and spec) cannot level at a decent pace is just left-over nonsense from Vanilla WoW. My Blood Elf Paladin, my first Horde character over level 15, got to 60 in under 6 days /played... and he PvPed a bit and leveled primary professions (mining/engineering).

Sorry to get off the topic of priests, but that should answer your questions about Paladins.
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