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#1 Jun 05 2008 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Hello -

After months of just running Kara and topping the DPS meter every week, I was asked to finally use some of my DKP points on some gear since the raid leader feels bad that nuthin really drops for me in there.

My Armory

So last night, I was thinking "WHAT IF" Prince drops the Bow and the Ring? should i use my DKP or pass it to the MM hunters or Rogue...Turns out, he DID drop both the ring and bow and raid leader and everyone else says I should get both. I decided that I'll just use my DKP on the Bow and skip the ring since I'll be getting the Angelista's Revenge very soon.

SO make my crit scope, get the dusty quiver off my bank and get some Mysterious Arrow and sure enough my DAMAGE and Crit go up, but when I plug it into the spread sheet...I LOOSE out on DPS...from 1002 to 984!!

I used my Don Santos the entire time BTW, and I placed it in the bank just in case I cant make this Sunfury work.

My attack speed went from 1.98 to 2.1 is most likely the culprit of this loss. And to get back to 1.98 speed, I would need to equip about 125 Haste rating gear which is NOT easy to get if I am only in KARA.

I really want to give this bow a chance...

Should I change my Shooting rotation from the sticky

showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, !Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget,nodead] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()

to something else?

Help me make this very nice bow to work...

Thanks
#2 Jun 05 2008 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, try the 3:2 rotation. Head over to Dr. Boom and see if that helps.

Edited, Jun 5th 2008 1:13pm by ItsaGaAs
#3 Jun 05 2008 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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3:2 with a 2.1 should work out rather nicely.
#4 Jun 05 2008 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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It may say you Lose dps...not sure if you lOOse it though
#5 Jun 05 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Good
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Get the badge bow?
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#6 Jun 06 2008 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Get the badge bow?
#7 Jun 06 2008 at 4:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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badge bow will be somewhere between Prince and the Don. It's unlikely he'll outperform both with the middle ground solution. If I were BM, I'd have stuck with Don Santos, but the 3:2 is supposed to be an increase that benefits only when using slower weapons, so I would definitely try that first. Cheeky's spreadsheet is darn good, but you can't trust it 100% -- it isn't you and doesn't model exactly the way you play. The best answer is to take a damage meter and go whack on Dr. Boom for 10 minutes.
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#8 Jun 06 2008 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Azuarc wrote:
badge bow will be somewhere between Prince and the Don. It's unlikely he'll outperform both with the middle ground solution.
The badge bow is one of the best BM weapons ingame for a reason ;)
#9 Jun 06 2008 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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If the Don Santos' was better than the badge bow, it'd be a helluva lot more than ~1k gold on the AH.
#10 Jun 09 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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...I turned down Sunfury multiple times when I was packing the Don Santos. Don Santos > Sunfury for the same reason that Wolfslayer > Sunfury and you hit it on the head in your post: weapon speed. Not to mention the proc on the gun goes off early and often and makes up the gap between the listed DPS difference between the two.

By the way I'm sorry your guild uses DKP for Karazhan.
#11 Jun 12 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Last night I used Aethien's suggestion of 3.2 rotation with the Sunfury. It definitely was a shocker! I made 2.6 Million Total Damage while the guy below me (MM Hunter with similar gear and the PvP bow) made 1.7 Million at the end of Curator.

Thanks again Aethien and everyone for the suggestion.

OF COURSE, the BBW dropped the WS, so now I have a collection of ranged weapons I can test out to no end.

So back to 1.1 then? Also got the itch to buy something with the 66 badges I accumulated and got Angelista's Revenge and replaced my last piece of PvP gear the Vindicator Ring.

Flipp
#12 Jun 12 2008 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
I just got the Sunfury last night too! I havent tried out yet but I have a couple of noobish questions.

Don't laugh at some of my green gems as I just got a slew of of upgrades and filled them in with whatever was on the AH. Also I recently bought my epic flyer on this toon so he is a bit broke until I blah grind out some more dailies.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tanaris&n=Shohkarrg

I have some haste from the 100 badge chest. I have been using a 1:1 macro with Steelhawk x-bow.

So my question is howd do I do the 3:2 rotation to try it with BM? Is there a macro for it as well? Did I just miss it somewhere in the stickies? I've been doing about 800-900 DPS on trash and around 1k on bosses but I did replace my blue pants and boots just last night as well. Was a good night in Kara for me full clear and I got like 4 upgrades including Legacy hehe :)
#13 Jun 12 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
nm found it! Aethiens post has been updated since last I read it.

Quote:
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast !Auto shot
/cast [target=pettarget, exists] Kill command
/cast Steady shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

3:2 Macro, no castsequence which is better for dps.
Its a clobbering macro though and it will make you clip some stuff.


I was using the castsequence 1:1 macro I'll give the 3:2 one above a try in in our friday night ZA run and see how I like it with Sunfury. Thanks!

Edited, Jun 12th 2008 2:04pm by Shojindo
#14 Jun 12 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
Erm, that is a 1:1 macro, although without the castsequence. Auto + Steady is 1:1...
#15 Jun 12 2008 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
I thought it might shoot 3 steady to every 2 auto without the sequence if my speed was slower? Maybe I am not getting it....

I would love clarification! :D
#16 Jun 12 2008 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
#17 Jun 12 2008 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
Generic answer is Generic. I've been there but thanks...

I was hoping one of the local experts had a concise answer. Such as a 3:2 rotation uses these Shots: in this order: and can be performed with this macro:

That TKA something page is just a giant wall of TMI that shows speeds and clipping but does not summarize or break it down in any way that I find useful. Another of the TKA something pages had a make your own shot rotation macro based on speed section and half the macro's did not work and had more characters than WoW would even accept. ._.

When I was MM I used to weave in Arcane and Multi but did it organic with no macro as part of my rotation, DPS was stellar but not efficent or sustainable mana wise.

I have been enjoying the simplicity of 1:1 but would like to adapt to the slower speed of the Sunfury if its at all possible.

I'm just posting on breaks at a work training today, I'll have more time to look into it for myself later tonight.



Edited, Jun 12th 2008 2:45pm by Shojindo
#18 Jun 12 2008 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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3:2 is steady-steady-auto-steady-auto. You delay the first auto to achieve more shots per second overall. The macro will self adjust to a 1:1 cycle with enough haste.
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#19 Jun 12 2008 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
Hmmph. Explaining things in a simple, easy to understand way isn't going to keep our reputation as aloof wise-men sitting on top of a mountain intact for long. Srsly Xsarus...

But it does raise the question, why haven't we put in a section for explaining these terms in the sticky(ies)? As you can see, there's actually posters who read them in an attempt to understand Hunter mechanics. A miracle we shouldn't squander.
#20 Jun 12 2008 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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3:2 is steady-steady-auto-steady-auto. You delay the first auto to achieve more shots per second overall. The macro will self adjust to a 1:1 cycle with enough haste.


That is exactly what I thought in the first place, thanks. :)


#21 Jun 12 2008 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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The macro you posted is what I was using last night and "thought" that it was the 3.2 that Aethien was referring to.

It seemed to work just fine for me..Tonight I will go back to my OLD Macro with the WS and see if it will be an improvement or not.

Flipp

Edited, Jun 12th 2008 6:45pm by Flippu
#22 Jun 12 2008 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
Pretty sure it is. I think "Someone" was being wrong and confusing....... which is pretty amusing coming from "Someone" who acts like they know so much.....busted! :P

Xsarus cleared it up.
#23 Jun 12 2008 at 6:22 PM Rating: Default
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1.) Who uses DKP in kara...srsly..

2.) I hate all of you who have Sunfurry, I have downed prince weekly since early March up until now and he refuses to drop Sunfurry, at this rate im gonna get Illidan's bow before I even see Sunfurry.



PS: I absolutely refuse to purchase the badge bow even though its a pretty big dps upgrade simply because the damn thing is SOOOOO ugly. I mean comon'... if you turn it around it looks like a wiener with the pubes on fire.
#24 Jun 12 2008 at 10:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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dps > looks.
#25 Jun 13 2008 at 12:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I must say if you turn down Badge bow because it "looks" bad, you really should not be in a raid guild.
#26 Jun 15 2008 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Aethien wrote:
dps > looks.


Yeah well until one of these hunters with the xbow can outdps me with my Wolfslayer, I aint forking over any badges.
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