Fail DPSFollow

So I switched over to full combat 20/41 (4 vile) swords just to see what the dps increase would be over ShS swords. I was getting 670-700 overall in heroic mech in ShS, but was LESS than that in Kara last night. Granted we tried a new group and failed pretty hard, but my DPS on trash was 500 and on bosses around 700 (except Curator, it was 950). I've got the 2pT4 bonus, open with Garrote, then go into 1s/4r because I cannot build CP fast enough to make a 5pt rupture viable. I'm staying on target and switching to secondary as soon as possible. Using Deadly/Instant. Using blade fury and AR when they come up (or save them to rock Curator). Base +hit is at 316, tried +20 food and that didn't help. What in the blue f**k am I doing wrong?

Well there are a number of things that you have to consider:

1. Mobs in Kara are higher level and have higher armor than mobs in heroic Mech. You really should measure using the same instance with your two builds for a fair comparison.
2. A rupture cycle on trash is pretty much wasted. Mobs are going to die before your rupture finishes.
3. What was your group makeup in Kara vs Heroic Mech? Were you getting better buffs in Mech than in Kara?

Keep in mind that rogues are built for sustained DPS. You should be using a 1s/5r cycle for bosses, and that's where you should be measuring your DPS. For trash in Kara and heroics I typically get a 1 or 2 CP SnD up and then eviscerate with however many CP I have just before I think the mob's going to die. The SnD usually lasts the duration of the pull.

I'd say maintaining 700 on raid level bosses would translate to significantly higer DPS agains lvl 72 mobs. You should take your current build to Heroic Mech and see how you do, or try Kara on you ShS swords build.

I hope this helps.

-Camel

Ther was a thread about this same subject a few weeks ago.

I was in the same boat.

When I was spec'ed ShS swords my DPS in Kara was between 600-700
When I changed to the raiding Combat swords build my DPS went to between 850-1200 depending on the boss, buffs available, and debuff's during a fight. Also if im watching T,V my DPS drops like 100 cause im not sticking to the 1s/5r rotation. My T.V rotation is usually like 1s/5r followed by a 1s/3s/2r then going CRAP...opps...mother $%#$.

Attumen and Nightbane (to a lesser extent) are pretty good benchmarks.

TBH though, Kara vs Mech isn't a fair comparison to make, and if you think it is, you're deluding yourself.

You should be using Instant/Deadly, btw, if you can't get WF.

If there's a shaman in the group, I don't care who ******** but rogues do ****-poor damage without buffs. Get a shaman or at the very least a warrior to give you a shout.

How are you not getting WF? They're morons to bring you if they're not dropping WF, no offense.

Funny story, I once ran SP heroic with TWO shamans, one elemental one resto and I got NO Windfury. I died a bit inside.

Even funnier story was when my raid group had a 20 minute mid-raid discussion on whether to drop AGI or WF totem....

I kept saying WF from the start but you would be surprised how hard it is to speak ******.

I actually don't know why they don't. They are both ele, would that have anything to do with it? I'm the only rogue, really the only melee class actually, maybe that's why. Our DPS on our main group is more than plenty for a sub 3 hour full clear.

In that case, it kinda depends. I'd have to know what your groups looked like and what classes you have/had.

So it looks like your raid setup is:

G1:
You
Druid
Lock
BM Hunter
Pally

G2:
Shaman
Shaman
Boomkin
Spriest
Priest

At least, that's what I'd do. Might switch the pally and one of the shamans, but that's a tough group setup.

One puts down wrath of air, the other puts down tranquil air to buff each other (101 spell dmg and something else). Theo that's pretty close to the setup.