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So I'm makeing a 60 twink rogue...Follow

#1 Jun 03 2008 at 5:59 PM Rating: Sub-Default
..and I am undecided on if I want to put mongoose or Battlemaster on my weapons (or weapon). Seeing as I have Darkmoon card: Heroism I was wondering how well this enchant could help keep me up (and make enemies hate me). So those of you with experience, please indulge me.

Edit: Here he is (might change talents and weapons though)



Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 10:02pm by hybrand
#2 Jun 03 2008 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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life gain isnt as strong as it used to be, not that it ever was

executioner MH imo... offhand whatever you fancy... at 60 the armor count is low, so executioner will be that much strong, ya saavy?
#3 Jun 03 2008 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
mongoosexcore wrote:
life gain isnt as strong as it used to be, not that it ever was

executioner MH imo... offhand whatever you fancy... at 60 the armor count is low, so executioner will be that much strong, ya saavy?


sounds good but funny, considering your name has mongoose in it :P
#4 Jun 03 2008 at 6:57 PM Rating: Good
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Why would you ever make a 60 Twink?
#5 Jun 03 2008 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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GodOfMoo wrote:
Why would you ever make a 60 Twink?

You read my posts too much. Smiley: frown

You're starting to post like me.
#6 Jun 03 2008 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent

GodOfMoo wrote:
Why would you ever make a 60 Twink?


for AV and a break before 70.

#7 Jun 03 2008 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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for AV and a break before 70.


That's retarded.

It's 10 levels, and to resemble anything close to a twink you need to spend 600+ gold, which you could use to enchants all the good gear you get at 70. Plus you can only get 100 marks, which means that your going to hit that cap pretty soon and end up with crappy honor. If it's just for a break keep your character in a city, level an alt (I level mine with enchants), when you hit full rested play again. Leave it in a inn when you feel like taking a break. That way when you get 70 you can use all that gold.
#8 Jun 04 2008 at 1:53 AM Rating: Good
But you can one shot peple with Ambush!

That'd be fun for the first day or so.
#9 Jun 04 2008 at 4:55 AM Rating: Good
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You read my posts too much. Smiley: frown

You're starting to post like me.


...and thats a bad thing? ;p
#10 Jun 04 2008 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
Leetler wrote:
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for AV and a break before 70.


That's retarded.

It's 10 levels, and to resemble anything close to a twink you need to spend 600+ gold, which you could use to enchants all the good gear you get at 70. Plus you can only get 100 marks, which means that your going to hit that cap pretty soon and end up with crappy honor. If it's just for a break keep your character in a city, level an alt (I level mine with enchants), when you hit full rested play again. Leave it in a inn when you feel like taking a break. That way when you get 70 you can use all that gold.


Yes but it's my time, and I am not a "hard-core" player in the least. I play weekends only for mabye 6 hours total? Twinking at 60 will help me overcome the giant gear differences at 70 between my normal instance blues + 1 or 2 S1 gears vs. full venge with enchants.

So don't tell me that my idea of fun is retarded until you understand completely why I'm doing it (and even then...).


#11 Jun 04 2008 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I wish you luck against all the 61-69 level opponents you will face.

Now, if you said 59, that might make more sense.
#12 Jun 04 2008 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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That has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard in a pretty long time.

Once, you're lvl 60, you're like 2 days /played away from lvl 70, so just rush it and forget about twinking at lvl 60.

nostra
#13 Jun 04 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
It's his account and his money so what's the huge problem with all of you? If your not going to give advice why not just shut up instead of posting the same thing that has been posted ten times before?
#14 Jun 04 2008 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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Its the Rogue forums, part of being a contributing member is that you have to be an ***.

Sorry for giving some advice about how not to waste time.

Although, why do you care if we're giving him **** about it? Seems kinda hypocritical to be yelling at us for giving unneeded comments...

Also QQ and get a thicker skin.
#15 Jun 04 2008 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
PsiChi the Fussy wrote:
I wish you luck against all the 61-69 level opponents you will face.

Now, if you said 59, that might make more sense.



AV is 51-60 and 61-70.
#16 Jun 04 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Default
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Metalcommand wrote:
It's his account and his money so what's the huge problem with all of you? If your not going to give advice why not just shut up instead of posting the same thing that has been posted ten times before?

It's his account and his money, but he posted asking our opinions about a level 60 twink on a public forum where I post regularly.

If people don't know that the rogue forums are a lot more extreme (in both knowledge and in toleration for retards, at both ends of the spectrum) than the other forums here on Alla, I'd invite you to go to the oboards and ask your question there.

Only there, you'd get trolls that are much bigger ******** than any you'd find here.
#17 Jun 04 2008 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Metalcommand wrote:
If your not going to give advice why not just shut up instead of posting the same thing that has been posted ten times before?


What part about 'Making a lvl 60 twink is stupid' isn't advice? Sure it might not be sugar-coated for easy consumption but the advice is there. Now we just have to see if the OP is a ****** or takes the advice.
#18 Jun 04 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Metalcommand wrote:
It's his account and his money so what's the huge problem with all of you? If your not going to give advice why not just shut up instead of posting the same thing that has been posted ten times before?


If you want to nurse poor posters who are unjustly molested... go to the priests' board! Anybody asking for advice here will get exactly that: a frank answer.

In this case, the idea was one of the worst ever, which was clearly pointed out. If the guy has more than half a brain, he'll be gratefull that we've spared him so much time and money.

nostra
#19 Jun 04 2008 at 12:47 PM Rating: Default
On the other hand I understand what you are talking about but I don't see the reason of being intentionally mean. I too agree that it's kinda of a silly idea but if he finds twinking at 60 a fun way to play a VIDEO GAME please explain to me how in the **** it's retarded or dumb? Are your boundaries of reality starting to fade because you spend time at the extreme wild wild allakhazam rogue forums? Or is it just so easy to say things like that to people behind the screen? MAN YOU GUYS ARE THE TOUGH AND EXTREME DUDES OF THE MAGICAL ZAM!

I can without any problems admit that many of you are probably smarter than me but if you act towards other people like that in real life I guess I'm the happier one in the end :) .
Please don't take **** too seriously :) . Now I'll just wait for the overpowering to begin.
#20 Jun 04 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Metalcommand wrote:
On the other hand I understand what you are talking about but I don't see the reason of being intentionally mean. I too agree that it's kinda of a silly idea but if he finds twinking at 60 a fun way to play a VIDEO GAME please explain to me how in the @#%^ it's retarded or dumb? Are your boundaries of reality starting to fade because you spend time at the extreme wild wild allakhazam rogue forums? Or is it just so easy to say things like that to people behind the screen? MAN YOU GUYS ARE THE TOUGH AND EXTREME DUDES OF THE MAGICAL ZAM!

I can without any problems admit that many of you are probably smarter than me but if you act towards other people like that in real life I guess I'm the happier one in the end :) .
Please don't take sh*t too seriously :) . Now I'll just wait for the overpowering to begin.

Dude, this flame isn't old and has never been used before. You're completely original, and not a moron.

And it's not Opposite Day. Smiley: wink
#21 Jun 04 2008 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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Metalcommand wrote:
On the other hand I understand what you are talking about but I don't see the reason of being intentionally mean. Are your boundaries of reality starting to fade because you spend time at the extreme wild wild allakhazam rogue forums? Or is it just so easy to say things like that to people behind the screen?


Maybe it is because the people that have been here for a while are
a) Sick of dealing with the same 4 questions over and over again (One of them being "why are you so mean?")
b) trying to build a higher quality of poster here.

Maybe instead of sugar coating every answer and spoon feeding it to every poster, people expect at least a minuscule amount of research and effort.

Hell Shadowpanther had a whole section on building twinks for various brackets. If the OP took two damned seconds to look before he posted, then none of this would have been an issue.

#22 Jun 04 2008 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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PsiChi the Fussy wrote:
b) trying to build a higher quality of poster here.

I would like to say that this forum, from what I've seen of the other forums here on Alla, has the highest userbase that's extremely knowledgeable about the class, as well as putting up with the least amount of *********

We don't get RP threads like the hunter forums for a reason.

Usually our threads tend to involve in-depth discussion of mechanics, stats, etc. The difference between a few points of haste and a few points of armor penetration.

I blame Nooblestick.
#23 Jun 04 2008 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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On the other hand I understand what you are talking about but I don't see the reason of being intentionally mean. I too agree that it's kinda of a silly idea but if he finds twinking at 60 a fun way to play a VIDEO GAME please explain to me how in the @#%^ it's retarded or dumb? Are your boundaries of reality starting to fade because you spend time at the extreme wild wild allakhazam rogue forums? Or is it just so easy to say things like that to people behind the screen? MAN YOU GUYS ARE THE TOUGH AND EXTREME DUDES OF THE MAGICAL ZAM!

I can without any problems admit that many of you are probably smarter than me but if you act towards other people like that in real life I guess I'm the happier one in the end :) .
Please don't take sh*t too seriously :) . Now I'll just wait for the overpowering to begin.


It's retarded because he wants to do it to take a break from leveling, he has said that his intentions are to get to 70. He wants to make a "Twink" which costs around 900g+ if your any good, to take a break for probably less than a month. IT'S 10 LEVELS OMG I'LL BLOW ALL MY GOLDS CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LVL!

If you want to make a twink make a 19/29 that you will never level.

AND YES I THINK I'M AWESOMELY XTREME AND TUFF BCUZ OF DIS FORUMS




Edited, Jun 4th 2008 7:13pm by Leetler
#24 Jun 05 2008 at 5:53 AM Rating: Default
I never really planned to level him to 70...

I also said that I did not want to have to gear up my character to be competitive again.

The point is that I will stay at 60 (or 59 If I really wanted too, but that means no outlands gear) anyway, because I DO NOT want to go up against 1/2 S4, 1/2 sunwell epics, and the blades of azzinoth, beacus I will lose; Every time.

Again, I am a casual player, so gearing up at all is not very easy for me. (Ex. My Paladin has been 70 for 2 real weeks and Has 1 epic, the S1 shoulders that I needed to get 4k honer for.)

Twinking at 60 avaoids all of these problems (and gives me the advantage for one).

But It'll take too long.

Oh well.
#25 Jun 05 2008 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
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hybrand wrote:

Again, I am a casual player, so gearing up at all is not very easy for me. (Ex. My Paladin has been 70 for 2 real weeks and Has 1 epic, the S1 shoulders that I needed to get 4k honer for.)
All that is is an excuse to not have to work.

I am more casual than most (usually no more than 4-5 hours a week) and while my gear is not uber, it is decent.

Does it take me longer than most to get honor to gear up? Yes
Do I care? No

It is a shame, but you seem to associate "phat lewtz" with fun. If that is the case, then twinking would be the best option for you. Personally, I enjoy working towards goals and improving, and a self-imposed limit just doesn't make sense to me.

Like others have said, if it were me, I would grind out to 70, get the blue PvP vendor set to get minimal resilience, and work on getting upgrades. Obviously you think that twinking at 60 is going to make everything EZ-Mode, so that is what you will do, regardless of others opinions.
#26 Jun 05 2008 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
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You don't want to hit 60 if you intend to twink. That would be dumb and a huge mistake. If you hit 60 you will be stuck in the 60-69 bracket. 60 doesn't get it's own bracket anymore as far as I know, and if memory serves it hasn't since about 3-4 weeks after the release of the the burning crusade. You can still get outland gear from the auction house as outland gear starts at 58, not 60. This is because you can go to outland at 58, and you can start to get gear there. In fact, you may want to get the foe reaver sword you get from a quest as this makes for a decent main hand for a while, and it's better than the thrash blade.

As for enchants, there are two camps when it comes to the weapon enchant. You either get mongoose on one and executioner on the other. I don't remember which hand gets which enchant, because I don't do it. The other option is you get mongoose on both, which is what I would do. If you do any other weapon enchant it's because you were either being cheap (which is fine) or stupid (which I don't condone). Armor penetration does better if you stack it, and there isn't much gear available at 59 to let you do that, so I'd avoid executioner. I don't have a lot of personal experience with that enchant and maybe other rogues could tell you if/why executioner is awesome. I've never tried it, but I've done dual mongoose, so I recommend that one. The best advice I can give you is look at what good rogues do like Theo, his armory is linked in his sig. Try to get as many of the same enchants that he has, and that will almost definitely point you in the right direction.

I will tell you this though since you mentioned it: avoid battlemaster (the healing enchant). For starters, it doesn't heal much, because it's an AoE heal (heals party members too). Secondly I don't know many enchanters on my server much less others that have/get it. Thirdly, nobody wants the enchant and that's for good reason: there are better ones.

I think this is a waste of a lot of gold, but if you're dead set on doing things your way, best of luck. Hope that helps.
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