I'm equipped well but for some reason I don't damage well at all. Can someone help me out and find out why I don't damage well.
I'm usually 4th in damage charts in instances around my level.
I twinked him out because I honestly couldn't stand his lackluster DPS, but I'd like to have an endgame DPS character.
I'm BM spec currently.
My shot weave is as follows:
Mark, Concussion, Serpent, Arcane, Auto shot...and repeat.
For my level I use razor arrows.
Talent Tree:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Akama&n=Hadolas
Armory:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Akama&n=Hadolas
And I think the problem is in my pet. I have a cat and he's trained with the following:
Arcane Resistance
Bite (Rank 3)
Claw (Rank 4)
Cower
Fire Resistance
Frost Resistance
Great Stamina
Growl
Natural Armor
Nature Resistance
Shadow Resistance
I think there lies the problem. He's set up with tanking abilities rather than DPS PVE/PVP abilities although I'm not sure what else to teach him.
Any thoughts?
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at your level, just open fights with Aimed shot, keep up serpent sting or scorpid sting (depending on fight and tank) and shoot arcane and multi (if possible) at every cooldown.
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I'm a BM spec. Not MM.
Umm you use Concussive shot and serpent sting and claim your pet is responsible for your low damage? Why do you use concussive shot at all? And serpent sting does not do a lot of damage, you can usually use that cooldown better.
As for your pet's skills: Forget cower, its useless; the rest is ok (just make sure to retrain the highest level of growl every 10 levels).
I somehow cannot access your armory at the moment, thus I will not comment on your gear or talents.
As for your pet's skills: Forget cower, its useless; the rest is ok (just make sure to retrain the highest level of growl every 10 levels).
I somehow cannot access your armory at the moment, thus I will not comment on your gear or talents.
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Sorry I accidentally put that in there. I only use it when I need to slow down the target.
at lvl 29 its worth keeping up serpent sting simply because there's nothing else.....
One thing to remember is Auto shot is your main shot. Mix in Arcane and Multi shots in between the auto shots, but the auto shots are were most of your damage will come from.
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Well even with Autoshot I'm still not doing AS good as everyone else.
It's your Bow..it's a little on the low side of damage and I believe it is tooo fast to really be effective damage wise.
You should have started the Nessingway quest line in STV at level 27 to get the Master Hunter Rifle/Bow.
- ICY enchant on your very nice polearm doesnt do much for a "BM" hunter.
- Strength Enchant on an awesome piece of bracer is counter-productive.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Here is a link to my "WANABE TWINK" un-enchanted and I still manage to put out DPS between 1-3rd place over-all. Level 29 Dwarf Hunter
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 12:16pm by Flippu
You should have started the Nessingway quest line in STV at level 27 to get the Master Hunter Rifle/Bow.
- ICY enchant on your very nice polearm doesnt do much for a "BM" hunter.
- Strength Enchant on an awesome piece of bracer is counter-productive.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Here is a link to my "WANABE TWINK" un-enchanted and I still manage to put out DPS between 1-3rd place over-all. Level 29 Dwarf Hunter
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 12:16pm by Flippu
at your level, there isn't really much theory crafting. Get the best items that quests give you, send your pet in and fire any damaging shot that you can at the boss. keep mark up. Delete any dps mods you have.
Speed on your bow doesn't matter until you get steady shot.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:25am by Xsarus
Speed on your bow doesn't matter until you get steady shot.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:25am by Xsarus
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The only reason I have those enchants is because they were free and being a poor hunter I wasn't going to pass up something free lol.
So it's really just my weapon? The weird thing is that it was recommended to me by a higher level hunter. I guess thats where I get confused.
What about my pet? His damage doesn't seem very high at all. Is he trained right (minus cower)?
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:10pm by knightwolfzero
So it's really just my weapon? The weird thing is that it was recommended to me by a higher level hunter. I guess thats where I get confused.
What about my pet? His damage doesn't seem very high at all. Is he trained right (minus cower)?
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:10pm by knightwolfzero
Put a scope on your bow, Hadolas. That is a nice bow for a hunter at your level. Even a +1 or +3 scope will make a big difference at level 29.
Get a helm. There are a few available to you at level 29. Tribal Worg Helm drops off Fenros, a rare spawn in Duskwood. If you want to grind a bit in Hillsbrand, Humbert's Helm drops off Dun Garok Riflemen.
Get some trinkets. Jewelcrafters can make a few at your level. Rune of Duty is also available.
Your bracers have a strength enchantment. Strength is useless to hunters. Get +agility or +intellect enchantments where you'll be keeping the item for a while.
You've done a pretty good job of stocking up on +agility, +stamina and +intellect gear. Buy 'of the monkey' and 'of the falcon' gear preferentially. Avoid +strength and +spirit gear.
On your pet, I would retrain him. Train him with max growl, max claw, max stamina and the balance in armor. Skip the resistances since you'll be facing all possibilities. You've limited points to spend so you can't cover them all. Do NOT train cower as that's a useless skill until you get much higher level and only for your raiding pet. Even then that's debatable.
Read up over at Petopia. Be sure to travel the world and learn the pet skills only the animals can teach you.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:12am by ItsaGaAs
Get a helm. There are a few available to you at level 29. Tribal Worg Helm drops off Fenros, a rare spawn in Duskwood. If you want to grind a bit in Hillsbrand, Humbert's Helm drops off Dun Garok Riflemen.
Get some trinkets. Jewelcrafters can make a few at your level. Rune of Duty is also available.
Your bracers have a strength enchantment. Strength is useless to hunters. Get +agility or +intellect enchantments where you'll be keeping the item for a while.
You've done a pretty good job of stocking up on +agility, +stamina and +intellect gear. Buy 'of the monkey' and 'of the falcon' gear preferentially. Avoid +strength and +spirit gear.
On your pet, I would retrain him. Train him with max growl, max claw, max stamina and the balance in armor. Skip the resistances since you'll be facing all possibilities. You've limited points to spend so you can't cover them all. Do NOT train cower as that's a useless skill until you get much higher level and only for your raiding pet. Even then that's debatable.
Read up over at Petopia. Be sure to travel the world and learn the pet skills only the animals can teach you.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:12am by ItsaGaAs
I agree with above poster - don't worry about tracking DPS at lvl 29. Add a scope to the bow and make sure you max out the skill points for the weapons you use. You were at 144/145 for the bow but 131/145 for the polearm. I could argue that you shouldn't have to use the polearm - but who doesn't love melee?
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I agree with above poster - don't worry about tracking DPS at lvl 29. Add a scope to the bow and make sure you max out the skill points for the weapons you use. You were at 144/145 for the bow but 131/145 for the polearm. I could argue that you shouldn't have to use the polearm - but who doesn't love melee?
While a hunter shouldn't really go out of their way to melee something for damage, it can be useful to keep those weapon levels up high. If you can't avoid being put in a close combat situation, it makes things much more satisfying to be able to successfully lay a hard smash in the mob's/player's face as you wingclip them and work to get back to ranged.
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Well the reason that I trained him in all that stuff is that I have an excess amount of points. I have 50+ training points left. And when you say Max claw, growl, etc... do you mean that the highest level at 29?
I also thought the icy weapon would be good for Wing Clip but since it was free I didn't complain.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:57pm by knightwolfzero
I also thought the icy weapon would be good for Wing Clip but since it was free I didn't complain.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:57pm by knightwolfzero
You'll have excess points until you start getting to higher levels, at which point you have to choose. Your bow is fine. As for the advice of getting enchants, it really doesn't matter at your level, take whatever free enchants you get, but don't worry about it.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:05pm by Xsarus
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:05pm by Xsarus
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But isn't my Bow holding me back in Damage?
Nope, that's a nice bow for your level. Just put a scope on it.
Have you heard of shot rotation? Its time for you to learn if this is new concept to you. Read up in the FAQ at the top of the forum thread list. At your level, it'll be:
Apply hunter's mark to target
Send in pet with growl and claw or bite on autocast
Give pet a few seconds to firmly get aggro, i.e. no shooting by you yet.
Fire serpent sting
Start auto shot
In between autoshots fire arcane shot
Reapply serpent sting when it wears off (shoot in between autoshots also)
Keep this up until mob is dead
If its an elite mob or there's more than one, you'll have to heal your pet in there too. Put off healing if you can. That'll cause the extra mobs to aggro onto you.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:30am by ItsaGaAs
Have you heard of shot rotation? Its time for you to learn if this is new concept to you. Read up in the FAQ at the top of the forum thread list. At your level, it'll be:
Apply hunter's mark to target
Send in pet with growl and claw or bite on autocast
Give pet a few seconds to firmly get aggro, i.e. no shooting by you yet.
Fire serpent sting
Start auto shot
In between autoshots fire arcane shot
Reapply serpent sting when it wears off (shoot in between autoshots also)
Keep this up until mob is dead
If its an elite mob or there's more than one, you'll have to heal your pet in there too. Put off healing if you can. That'll cause the extra mobs to aggro onto you.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:30am by ItsaGaAs
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Yeah thats what I usually do I find that I'm out damaged by a lot.
Out-damaged by who? Your pet? So what? He's the other half of the hunter duo. That's not a bad thing. ;)
If we are talking about instance runs where we're discussing other players, ask them one question. 'Does your damage meter include my pet?' Make them change the add-on / macro's settings so all damage is shown and not just the top four. Usually your pet will show up somewhere near the bottom, just above the healer. At that point you call him a nimrod and tell him to add in both portions of your hunter output. If you add in both portions, you'll likely find you're now #1 or 2 on the instance run damage meters. If you're still #3 it won't be by much.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:57am by ItsaGaAs
If we are talking about instance runs where we're discussing other players, ask them one question. 'Does your damage meter include my pet?' Make them change the add-on / macro's settings so all damage is shown and not just the top four. Usually your pet will show up somewhere near the bottom, just above the healer. At that point you call him a nimrod and tell him to add in both portions of your hunter output. If you add in both portions, you'll likely find you're now #1 or 2 on the instance run damage meters. If you're still #3 it won't be by much.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 11:57am by ItsaGaAs
If you really want to keep track of your dps I'd recommend getting recount or recap. They're the ones that seem to work. Damage meters (which is what new people seem to get, probably due to the name) blows chunks, and should not be used.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:56pm by Xsarus
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:56pm by Xsarus
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Well I play on a Mac is there anyway I could track my damage with a mac addon?
Kewl <gives secret Mac handshake>
Macros work regardless of platform. They operate on the WoW scripting language. This is usually true of add-ons as well.
Just set up your own DPS macro. Change yours so your pet numbers are automatically included. When others show their output on istance runs, counter with yours. When they question the difference, explain that theirs probably fails to include your pet's output in your hunter's total.
I'll second Xsarus's comments on meters. Most macro DPS meters keep track of the combat log statistics. However if you or your pet stands too far away from that person, his combat log won't include that output. This problem leads to an inaccurate count.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 12:09pm by ItsaGaAs
Macros work regardless of platform. They operate on the WoW scripting language. This is usually true of add-ons as well.
Just set up your own DPS macro. Change yours so your pet numbers are automatically included. When others show their output on istance runs, counter with yours. When they question the difference, explain that theirs probably fails to include your pet's output in your hunter's total.
I'll second Xsarus's comments on meters. Most macro DPS meters keep track of the combat log statistics. However if you or your pet stands too far away from that person, his combat log won't include that output. This problem leads to an inaccurate count.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 12:09pm by ItsaGaAs
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<Receives secret Mac Handshake>
Okay so how do I set it up then? Because I have no idea how to do it.
Okay so how do I set it up then? Because I have no idea how to do it.
Follow these:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Macro
http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros/Hunter
http://www.wowwiki.com/Add_on
However when you're running instances, ignore the DPS meters. You want to put out as much DPS as you can without pulling aggro off the tank. For that you need a threat meter. I suggest Omen. I did threat 'by feel' all the way up to 70. I probably could have put out a bit more DPS if I'd installed a threat meter sooner.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Omen_%28AddOn%29
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 12:16pm by ItsaGaAs
http://www.wowwiki.com/Macro
http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros/Hunter
http://www.wowwiki.com/Add_on
However when you're running instances, ignore the DPS meters. You want to put out as much DPS as you can without pulling aggro off the tank. For that you need a threat meter. I suggest Omen. I did threat 'by feel' all the way up to 70. I probably could have put out a bit more DPS if I'd installed a threat meter sooner.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Omen_%28AddOn%29
Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 12:16pm by ItsaGaAs
It's not a macro silly. Damage meters are addons. here's some info on combat log range that can help you. from WWS or EJ or something, I don't remember.
Quote:
Extending the logging range
By default, the combat log only show events happening at 40 yards around you. It is always best to extend this logging range. The maximum possible is 200 yards.
* Some addons help you extend the logging range and even start and stop the log when entering certain areas, have a look at AutoCL, clsaver or LoggerHead
* Beware that some other addons might change back the combat log range. Find them and destroy them !
* Extending the logging range is not very CPU or Network intensive, so don't hesitate
If you don't want to install an addon, you can either type this in game :
/console SET CombatLogRangeParty "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayers "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayersPets "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeCreature "200"
Or edit the file <your wow install dirrectory>/WTF/Config.wtf, and add these lines :
SET CombatLogRangeCreature "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayersPets "200"
SET CombatLogRangeParty "200"
SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "200"
SET CombatDeathLogRange "200"
For a lot of interesting information about the combat log, how to extend its range and how to split it, check this thread on the Elitist Jerks forum.
By default, the combat log only show events happening at 40 yards around you. It is always best to extend this logging range. The maximum possible is 200 yards.
* Some addons help you extend the logging range and even start and stop the log when entering certain areas, have a look at AutoCL, clsaver or LoggerHead
* Beware that some other addons might change back the combat log range. Find them and destroy them !
* Extending the logging range is not very CPU or Network intensive, so don't hesitate
If you don't want to install an addon, you can either type this in game :
/console SET CombatLogRangeParty "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayers "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayersPets "200"
/console SET CombatLogRangeCreature "200"
Or edit the file <your wow install dirrectory>/WTF/Config.wtf, and add these lines :
SET CombatLogRangeCreature "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayersPets "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayers "200"
SET CombatLogRangeHostilePlayersPets "200"
SET CombatLogRangeParty "200"
SET CombatLogRangePartyPet "200"
SET CombatDeathLogRange "200"
For a lot of interesting information about the combat log, how to extend its range and how to split it, check this thread on the Elitist Jerks forum.
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