2h or dual weild, that is the question.Follow

I have been testing the 2h weapon thing. I add Windfury onto my 2h weapon, and I do amazingly high ammounts of burst damage. But with dual weild, I do much, much less, and it happens more often. Here's what I say to it, In the ammount of time, with a 3 speed+ weapon it takes to attack, you have a less chance for windfury to proc, correct? With dual weild, it happens much more ofton, but you have to wait for that 3 second global cooldown. Within that time, you could simpily attack and stormwind and a windfury had a 50% chance to proc then, With the 100% chance with dual weild stormstrike (both windfury buffed). I still find 2h weapons much, much more effective in the long run when grinding or PVPing, or even instancing. Dual weild is great for DPS, but it will never match up to the powerful burst crits of the 2 hander. amirite?

Dual wield provides a higher rate of damage than the 2hander. Some of theri benefits is the use and proc of windfury and the fire enhancement to a weapon to really kick some butt.

As far as your conclusion to which you believe that a 2 hander is better than dual wielding; I have noticed that obtaining good main and off hand weapons takes some time to come by, and only recently have I acquired two pvp weapons, and have noticed the huge difference in damage. Before I feel that my weapons weren't as good as they could be, and getting drops that I would want to use were difficult due to Rogues and sometimes Warriors (Usually Rare) would win the items I wanted to use. Once you get some nicer one handers, you should be able to see the difference between 2handers and dual wielding.

Hope that helps!

In all honesty and its just a personal opinion i am giving... I prefer my 2h any day. I had 2 1 handers and yea they were fast and proc'd with windfury quite often but with my 2 hander I mean DAM!! The damage is just amazing, sure u swing slower, make up a missed or low hit or 2 with an earth shock! I regularly have windfury go off on my 2h and see #'s like 1500-2200 3 times at once. the highest windfury hit i got with my 1 handers was MAYBE 850-950

sigh...

Do you notice how there are no 2h buffing talents in enhancement any more? Maybe that would be a clue...

Resiliance = killed 2h effectiveness...

Duel weild is the way to get higher consistant dps. Sure it feels good to see those higher windfury numbers with the gear you have. My gear allows me to get 2k and 2k windfury hits with a one hander off my main hand and 1k white crits off the main hand. If your 2hander dps number is greater than the sum of your main hand and your off hand (off hand dps /2) then you definately need to upgrade your duel weild weapons because you will do more damage over the length of time you play with duel weild then with a 2 hander even IF they suck. Especially if you have low plus hit you will wiff and lose out dps and then hopefully a windfury proc happens soon to sorta bring you back up to your substandard 2 hander sustained dps. Go to elitistjerks.com like they told ya before. It will make more sense if you read it there i suppose.

only time you MIGHT want to use a 2hand wep would be in arena... against rogues/mages/locks when they have to stunlocked or are kiting you and you're lucky to get off one hit... but i mean. that's still based on luck.. that wf procs off that one hit. but trust me on this one. good dw weps will produce some amazing wf procs (mine hit 2.2k? from mh) you just have to realize that shamans are based on luck in arena (burst wise) cause if we get wf with all crits. some clothies go down in one hit regardless of whether you're dw or 2hand. but dw will produce more dps in the end.. so dw ftw.

Okay, so I have to admit, I haven't taken the time to do the math. But simply put (for all those like me who just don't want to take the time to do the math or decipher some of the long posts) DW with WF, tends to kill things faster. Perhaps not by much without maxed crit% and other buffs, but over all, I find it to be faster. I did the simple test. Relatively similarly DPS'ed weapons killing groups of the same mobs over 30 minutes.

Read a FAQ sometime...DW better for PvE, DW better for PvP. Hell, the only time you should not DW is in PvP when you equip a shield...

See all those nice talents in the enhancement tree geared towards DW? Try to put 2+2 together and maybe realize that the 2h enhance shammy builds are a thing of the past.

Edited, Jul 7th 2008 9:06pm by Taurrus

Taurrus you should take a break off the forums I think they are stressing you out bud. Also there are only 2 talents in our talent tree that only benefit Dual Wield, Dual Wield and Dual Wield Specialization.

Yes I agree Dual Wield is superior for shaman but you can not force it on people.

I know people like to come here and ask questions over and over again and it is a bit annoying but point them in the right direction without so much anger or tell them your opinion right there backed with facts.

You have to understand not everyone reads these forums as often as some of us so if they are repeating a question they may just not know, and even those that check the faq may get discouraged by the walls of text, they just want to ask one question.

It is also not like we get free access to search for subjects in the forum unless you have premium member ship so it can be a pain looking for a thread with the info.

cut people some slack, if you don't really want to help them then don't.

It is sort of scary how many people post that same exact question in the forums each week.

While I certainly can understand why they do it, their inability to read any other threads on the board is probably tiresome to some.

Personaly I LOVE it when people ask the same questions over and over. It just gets me waiting for someone to come in and explode on them about posting the same stuff.

I liken it to feeding Tigers at the Zoo, but instead of random pieces of meat you use live animals.

The entertainment is awesome. As soon as the post hits the forums I can practically hear the hungry growling of the trollers as they descend into the reply screen with vicious words and verbal gullets varily quaking with anticipation of the kill. The Shaman forums should be featured on Animal Planet...

Gaudion Bit You!

*panic*

...does Gaudion have all his shots?

I never said guadion wasn't informative lol, he gives out some of the most respectable information on these threads, but even he will admit to being a prick, to be honest I really like reading his stuff even though I use to openly hate his guts.

Dual wield will help for things like instances and PvE while wielding a 2H can really help because in PvP you have to kill you opponet as fast as possible so that they have no chance to react.

Dual-wielding doseant quite give the same burst as a 2H but is still viable for PvP because you cant count on a WF proc every fight especially with a slower wep My advice don't use a 2H slower than 3.5 if it is slower you chances per fight of a WF proc go down the drain. but if you do find something slower than that and it has amazing stats then go for it.

there are also things like stats to take in. Also stormstrike benefits for from a slower 2H than lower end damage 1Handers

Bottom line Dual wield if you want consistent damage. 2H for when you would like to see realy big numbers above you enemy.