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#1 Jun 02 2008 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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ok, i figured this is as good a time as any to get this out in the open:

the xpac is not here. its coming fairly soon, but its not here yet. as such, dont let anything that might or might not change in the xpac affect how you play your druid. by all means, please continue discussion about said changes, but dont let these changes do anything to you or your druid. we can all deal with that kind of thing once we have more solid info on whats happening.
#2 Jun 02 2008 at 8:41 PM Rating: Good
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Hehe, what would Blizzard have to do to druid to make me stop playing it? Stop enjoying it?

...take away my ability to shift forms...
#3 Jun 03 2008 at 1:57 AM Rating: Good
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not so much "zomg i cant play druid anymore." more of a "lets not start giving overarching advice about stuff we arent even sure is definite."
#4 Jun 03 2008 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Too late!

If the rumored area of effect heal over time is not included, I'm gonna be a sad druid. Same with roots inside. I'm even leveling a priest alt, for fun but also in case the druid healing playstyle gets mutilated and I end up not enjoying it anymore.



Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 6:43am by PhoenixOmbre
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#5 Jun 03 2008 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
PhoenixOmbre wrote:
Too late!

If the rumored area of effect heal over time is not included, I'm gonna be a sad druid. Same with roots inside. I'm even leveling a priest alt, for fun but also in case the druid healing playstyle gets mutilated and I end up not enjoying it anymore.



Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 6:43am by PhoenixOmbre


It's ALPHA! Stop getting your hopes up. The druid healing playstyle involves a spell we've never had before?
#6 Jun 03 2008 at 6:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's ALPHA! Stop getting your hopes up. The druid healing playstyle involves a spell we've never had before?


A lot of people fear change. And if the changes they've anticipated don't happen, they get upset. It's normal.

I feel like a lot of changes will occur with WotLK. However, it will be like TBC. You'll get new strategies, and in a year, you'll look back on how you used to play Druid and think "Ugh, was it really like that? This is SOOO much better!" I have faith that, even if the changes do not occur as they're stated in Alpha, we'll still have many varied and awesome things to look forward to :)
#7 Jun 03 2008 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I glanced over some of the new talents for the classes I play when the info first came out, said "Nifty!" to a few of them (yes, I really use that word), then promptly forgot it all. No, I don't mean I wisely put it out of my mind, I mean I actually, really forgot it. Between 3 sets of key bindings, the stats of the '86 Red Sox, and "Ooohh! Cake!" there's not a lot of space in my brain for holding probably-maybe stuff I won't even be looking at for, what, six months? So I'm one druid who will cross those bridges as they come.
#8 Jun 03 2008 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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What I meant is that the style changed dramatically when BC was released, so it could change again. There's a little apprehension there. I'm a picky person. And I can't help but get my hopes up when there's talk about roots inside. How could I! ^^

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#9 Jun 03 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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not so much "zomg i cant play druid anymore." more of a "lets not start giving overarching advice about stuff we arent even sure is definite."


Exactly, I'd need some extremes before my flight forms feathers got ruffled. ^^
#10 Jun 03 2008 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I think it'll be a lot like when I visited my gramma's each Christmas -

NEW COOKIE CUTTERS!

(ok, granted that applies less to us droods than to other classes, but this is the only like thread I could find).
#11 Jun 03 2008 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Aug 27th 2008 12:38am by kawainui
#12 Jun 03 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
Personally one of my main concerns is that the feral tree will remain bloated. Currently it requires a heavy dedication of points as well as putting a minimum of 11 in to Restoration, and I just hope that they let up a little on the number of points in the tree. I would definitely not quit playing my druid, but I would like to be able to pick up the PVP (Primal Tenacity & Nurturing Instinct) talents along with having enough points to snag what I want in the Restoration tree (5/5 Naturalist & Natural Shapeshifter). Having a quick look at the WotLK Alpha information, I just find that the tree is almost MORE bloated, and I hope it doesn't stay that way.
#13 Jun 03 2008 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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I glanced over some of the new talents for the classes I play when the info first came out, said "Nifty!" to a few of them (yes, I really use that word), then promptly forgot it all. No, I don't mean I wisely put it out of my mind, I mean I actually, really forgot it. Between 3 sets of key bindings, the stats of the '86 Red Sox, and "Ooohh! Cake!" there's not a lot of space in my brain for holding probably-maybe stuff I won't even be looking at for, what, six months? So I'm one druid who will cross those bridges as they come.


this is why i <3 tea.

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I am officially going to beg Quor to finish his druid history before the x-pac hits.

So Quor please the the love of Elune finish it please.

It was the awesome-est thread ever...


i know, i know >.<

its amazing what full time work and preparing for a masters program does to your ability to remember things and put them down on paper :(
#14 Jun 03 2008 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Quor wrote:
this is why i <3 tea.


Aw, you're just saying that because I always agree with everything you say.

Seriously guys, less love, more flaming. Our reputation as the Nice Forum is going to have all kinds of riff-raff and contest-winner-wannabes over here, thinking they're safe from rate-downs, posting all kinds of empty nonsense that's just full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.

(Nothing like this post right here.)
#15 Jun 03 2008 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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I can't really read into the Alpha otherwise I'll get my hopes up. I'd rather not look at anything and be terribly dissappointed than look at the alpha talents and find them not up to par and be horribly dissappointed.

But, for the love of god.... Give us a release date!
#16 Jun 03 2008 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
Now now Tea, do not let anything change here. Nice place, along with the hunter forum.

Now you want ugly, try the Shaman forum, right Quor?? I am afraid to ask a n00b question there, I like my head in the place it is now. Shamans are fun to play, almost as much as druid, but getting some newbie advise, no way man.

Anyhow, I got bored with dailies, got my flier. Our guild has a hard time grouping to do Kara, much less going beyond that. PvP got me some gear, but it is hard to do all the time.

I real love is leveling and twinking 19's so much that I have another account just to get more little guys on the same realm. Sick I know but as they say, it's my $30 a month
#17 Jun 03 2008 at 5:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now you want ugly, try the Shaman forum, right Quor?? I am afraid to ask a n00b question there, I like my head in the place it is now. Shamans are fun to play, almost as much as druid, but getting some newbie advise, no way man.


funny you mention the shammy forum al; you should see the fecal matter im hip deep in over there. ive had a number of shaman regulars on that forum calling me all sorts of fun things for some time now. it takes me back to my FF11 warrior days, when i was a much gruffer person.

still, its not the worst ive done. i remember a thread i made on the old FF11 war boards that spawned no less than six other threads spread across three different FF11 eleven sites. it was quite fun. compared to then, the **** going down in the shammy forum doesnt even make me blink.

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Aw, you're just saying that because I always agree with everything you say.


now thats not true!

i <3 you because of your cookies. duh.
#18 Jun 04 2008 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Not worried about the changes being awful once the expansion is released. Worried about them possibly being totally awesome and then taken away or nerfed again a few weeks later like it was with bear form right after TBC came out.
#19 Jun 04 2008 at 4:39 AM Rating: Decent
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While whatever comes and goes with the expansion I won't mind (It's like xmas, even if it's some socks, it's still new) However, I'll still be mightily pissed if we don't get Indoor Roots. My Moonkin could really use the CC :(

Edited, Jun 4th 2008 12:55pm by Micros
#20 Jun 04 2008 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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I'll laugh if they give indoor roots, but make it so all the dungeons only have trash mobs with 60yd range and can shoot through walls
#21 Jun 05 2008 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Kanngarnix wrote:
Not worried about the changes being awful once the expansion is released. Worried about them possibly being totally awesome and then taken away or nerfed again a few weeks later like it was with bear form right after TBC came out.


I actually wasn't playing when TBC came out (my druid was at 57 and i got bored, then a few weeks after TBC came out I got it, grabbed a port to shat and grinded away.) What exactly happened?

On a somewhat related issue, there were some notes that said frenzied regen was going to heal 0.1% health for every point of rage instead of the static 300 per 10 rage. This is a huge nerf, as that equates to all your rage healing 10% of your health (actually, if you have more than 30k health at 70, it's a buff...). I know, I know, at 80 there might actually be people with 30k health, but even then, there would be an upgrade for frenzied regen (400 health per 10 rage?) and it is still a nerf. I actually saw this on this site, but it was taken off as per Blizzard's request (I think?), so no links to confirm it.
#22 Jun 05 2008 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, right now it's 25 health/rage (max rank). You would need 25k health to get equal returns from the old Frenzied Regen and the proposed change. I'm hoping they scale it up to .2 or .3% per rage, making it at least somewhat useful at all levels. Consider early levels of Frenzied Regen; you would need 10k health at level 36 for this change to not be a huge nerf.
#23 Jun 05 2008 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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Someone posted a great potion macro the other day that I will try out, but I still believe frenzied is our compensation for not (normally) having potions....or last stand....or bubbles....or DK uberness....and wish that after loading up a rage bar and being at the edge of a wipe, we werent rewarded with, at best, a measly 10% of our health back after several seconds.

Eager to see what blizz does.
#24 Jun 05 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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im a little peeved at the change to frenzied regen. ive never liked the idea of it scaling, because i dont see FR as a scaling "self-heal". its intent when implemented was, in my mind, meant to be a druidic pot. druids couldnt pot (or HS) in feral forms, so blizzard tossed in the rage-to-life mechanic as a means of saying "here, look, druids have a pot-like effect so now you cant use that as a reason to keep druid from tanking". given how rage gen is happening on your average raid boss fight, dropping 100 rage in 10s for a nice heal isnt too bad an idea.

so youve got a nice heal at the top end that scales about as well as a pot does, and youve got a nice heal for the leveling druid that, again, scales about as well as an at-level pot.

so ive never really been able to get behind the idea of a scaling FR. granted, blizzard could always change what it was intended for, especially now that potting in feral forms is quite easy to do with a macro; it is an ever-evolving game after all.
#25 Jun 05 2008 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Only problem I see with the new talents is that I need 150 talent points.

I just can't choose.
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#26 Jun 05 2008 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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anonymosity wrote:
Kanngarnix wrote:
Not worried about the changes being awful once the expansion is released. Worried about them possibly being totally awesome and then taken away or nerfed again a few weeks later like it was with bear form right after TBC came out.


I actually wasn't playing when TBC came out (my druid was at 57 and i got bored, then a few weeks after TBC came out I got it, grabbed a port to shat and grinded away.) What exactly happened?


Well, mangle was totally awesome, to the point that many feral druids never really left bear form anymore in PvP. After enough complaints Bliz decided to cut it by like 30% - only to increase the damage again after a couple of weeks. Don't remember the whole thing anymore since it has been a year and a half since then. I was pissed back then though :)
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