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#1 Jun 02 2008 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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Hi all,

This may sound ridiculously, ludicrously, stupid ...or it may sound perfectly feasible .. I don't know, which is why I thought I'd ask for you guy's input.

My rogue just hit 30, and he's cruising (took a long time off playing him due to other necessary side-tracks ... Like SSO ;->). I have the Outlaw Sabre in my Main Hand and the Tail Spike in my off hand.

I'm fully combat spec'd atm, and intend staying that way all the way to level 50 (after which I'll start delving into Assas.

The thing is that now I"m 30, I can go and get the Sword of Omen from the SM quest. This is (I believe) an excellent Off hand sword for this level, and it is my intention to replace the tail spike to use it as such ...BUT ... I had a look at the damage range of the Sword of Omen, and it's slightly higher that the Outlaw Sabre, which suggests to me in would be a better MH sword that the Sabre.

The problem I have (it may not be a problem at all at this level) is that if I put SoO in my Main Hand, OS would have to go in my OH (Tailspike goes to the nearest vendor) .. but the OS is a very slow sword. Is a 2.7 speed sword off Hand an issue, or does the speed not matter, as long as DPS is decent.

Bear in mind that this is a short term issue, as I will be getting the Vanquisher's Sword from RFD for my Main Hand soon ... Sword of Omen will then find pride of place in my off hand.

The way I've always seen it (and bear in mind, I've only got 30 levels of being a rogue to check all of this stuff out), is that a faster weapon adds poisons quicker (my main hand will be fast), and Combat Potency requires a faster weapon (although this doesn't mean too much for a level 30). Slow main hand is desired simply because of the fact that the damage range for an equal DPS weapon will be higher for a slower weapon ... hence dealing more SS damage.

So, in Summary, my question is ... Is it really a problem having a slow off hand weapon, provided my main hand weapon has a higher damage range.

Thanks in advance .. .much appreciated.

Edited, Jun 2nd 2008 7:15am by robertlofthouse
#2 Jun 02 2008 at 5:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Outlaw Sabre
Binds when picked up
One-Hand Sword
35 - 67 Damage Speed 2.70
(18.9 damage per second)

Here is your temporary GREEN solution. Should have a couple of them at the AH at any given time:

Knightly Longsword
Binds when equipped
One-Hand Sword
21 - 40 Damage Speed 1.50
(20.3 damage per second)
<Random enchantment>
Durability 75 / 75
Requires Level 33
#3 Jun 02 2008 at 5:37 AM Rating: Default
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At any given level, you should be able to find some sort of slow sword (around 2.6) for your MH and fast sword (around 1.6) for your OH. That's a fairly important rule, so stick to that. If you don't, your damage is going to drop dramatically.

But don't worry too much about that. Questing should give you reasonable weapons and, if not, you can get one from the AH for a few GP.

nostra
#4 Jun 02 2008 at 5:44 AM Rating: Decent
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At any given level, you should be able to find some sort of slow sword (around 2.6) for your MH and fast sword (around 1.6) for your OH.


Fast swords are really an issue at lower levels. Just try a search at wowhead or so...

However, you might want to check the level requirements for the quests. According to the comments on the swords on wowhead it has been lowered, meaning that your "temporary" could pretty much mean an hour or two...

#5 Jun 02 2008 at 8:48 AM Rating: Default
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Seriously, this only becomes and issue at lvl 70 when you're working on optimizing your dps for pve/pvp.

Before that, anything you drop/buy from the AH will do. Sure it'd be better to have a slow and a fast sword if you're combat specced, but a slow sword and a dagger will do just fine while leveling. Leveling with a rogue is easy anyway.

nostra
#6 Jun 02 2008 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Leveling with a rogue is easy anyway.


This.
#7 Jun 03 2008 at 4:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah you should always have a faster sword on your offhand, and a strong sword in your mainhand
having two strong and slow swords would be inneffective, so check the dps in mainhand for each and decide what you want, then find a good offhand to use
#8 Jun 04 2008 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
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*sigh*

I KNOW levelling a rogue is easy (I never indicated I was having a problem with that)

I KNOW you need your heaviest damage dealing sword in your main hand (I'm sure I DID indicate that in my firet post)

My question was, what benefit is there in having a fast off hand weapon at any stage before Combat Potency. Everyone has said things like "It would be ineffective" and "your damage is going to drop dramatically" ... but nobody has said why ..

Anybody care to expand on this ...

imho, there should be no difference between a fast and slow off hand, as long as they do the same DPS (once again, this is pre-combat potency ... after that it's a definite no-no having a slow off hand)
#9 Jun 04 2008 at 1:40 AM Rating: Decent
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For combat levelling, you should normally be using Instant Poison on both weapons. A faster OH means more hits, which means more IP damage. For two weapons with equal DPS, you'll get significantly more damage from a fast OH than a slow one.
#10 Jun 04 2008 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Before Combat Potency it doesn't really matter. I just find its better to get into the habit early.
#11 Jun 04 2008 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
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zhaharik wrote:
For combat levelling, you should normally be using Instant Poison on both weapons. A faster OH means more hits, which means more IP damage. For two weapons with equal DPS, you'll get significantly more damage from a fast OH than a slow one.

There's not much of a difference pre-Combat Potency.

I used Maladath at 60, and it wasn't as fast as other swords.

Combat Potency is really where it matters. Poisons are a very small percentage of your damage.
#12 Jun 04 2008 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
Overlord Theophany wrote:
zhaharik wrote:
For combat levelling, you should normally be using Instant Poison on both weapons. A faster OH means more hits, which means more IP damage. For two weapons with equal DPS, you'll get significantly more damage from a fast OH than a slow one.

There's not much of a difference pre-Combat Potency.

I used Maladath at 60, and it wasn't as fast as other swords.

Combat Potency is really where it matters. Poisons are a very small percentage of your damage.


Nethieus - doesn't know wtf to do, has soem kind of stamina fetish in gemming, not even meeting gem bonuses or meta req. Different guild so I assume you don't normally raid with him.

Sup - I assume WWS bugged for this fellow.

Mak - Lol.

...Anyway, I'll stop stalking your guild now.
#13 Jun 04 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
zhaharik wrote:
For combat levelling, you should normally be using Instant Poison on both weapons. A faster OH means more hits, which means more IP damage. For two weapons with equal DPS, you'll get significantly more damage from a fast OH than a slow one.

There's not much of a difference pre-Combat Potency.

I used Maladath at 60, and it wasn't as fast as other swords.

Combat Potency is really where it matters. Poisons are a very small percentage of your damage.


Nethieus - doesn't know wtf to do, has soem kind of stamina fetish in gemming, not even meeting gem bonuses or meta req. Different guild so I assume you don't normally raid with him.

Sup - I assume WWS bugged for this fellow.

Mak - Lol.

...Anyway, I'll stop stalking your guild now.

Sup isn't a raider, and Mak is an alt; we needed DPS and normally he'd come as ret, but he was specced holy and didn't want to respec.

Nethieus is a teribad from another guild. Like I said, we needed DPS badly.
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