My druid isn't 70 yet, but when he gets there I am going to respec to a Resto build. I was wondering what gems where preferred as a tree. My guess is mostly gemming with Royal Nightseye, but I really have no idea. Would Luminous Noble Topaz be better, or even using Purified Shadow Pearl as an option.
I have a 375 JC, so I have lots of gems to cut, and money to spend on recipes when I see em. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Purified Shadow Pear is most definitely the best choice for a tree druid since we're getting so much from spirit.
That said though, I'd suggest gemming blue for pure spirit and red for pure healing instead, unless you need to activate your meta gem.
Bracing Earthstorm Diamond: More red gems than blue
Insightful Earthstorm Diamond: 2 red, 2 yellow, 2 blue
Edited, May 31st 2008 6:30am by Kanngarnix
That said though, I'd suggest gemming blue for pure spirit and red for pure healing instead, unless you need to activate your meta gem.
Bracing Earthstorm Diamond: More red gems than blue
Insightful Earthstorm Diamond: 2 red, 2 yellow, 2 blue
Edited, May 31st 2008 6:30am by Kanngarnix
I believe the general consensus is that if your innervate tops off your mana pool, even while continuing your normal rotation, you have enough spirit. Int is a very important stat as well, but not one that druids need to put effort into obtaining... it comes with the normal gear.
Gem straight + healing and pot to your heart's content, though purple gems are usually much cheaper on my server, so the pearls are great till you get gear you will hang on to for a decent amount of time.
Also, for the modern resto druid, spirit is a better choice than +mp5, considering i-levels... a very general statement, so don't quote me, but since 2.4 most mana problems have vanished.
Gem straight + healing and pot to your heart's content, though purple gems are usually much cheaper on my server, so the pearls are great till you get gear you will hang on to for a decent amount of time.
Also, for the modern resto druid, spirit is a better choice than +mp5, considering i-levels... a very general statement, so don't quote me, but since 2.4 most mana problems have vanished.
Spirit isn't just about regeneration. It's boosting your aura, and with that adds a good chunk of bonus healing for your group, so it's not only benefiting yourself, but also every other healer healing people in it. It's an immense amount of extra healing for the raid, even if you're not in the tank group.
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Spirit is useful, yes; but gemming for pure spirit in your blue slots is a waste in my opinion. You're sacrificing too much personal output on behalf of the tree of life aura, which is useful, but will usually only amount to an extra ~150 healing on your group. While slightly noticable, spending a gem slot for merely 2 extra healing on your group is a waste.
One thing to note with the purified shadow pearls is that they are i-level 60, whereas the royal nighteyes are i-level 70, and so have a greater item budget. While spirit has become increasingly useful for us after the 2.4 patch, I'd still be inclined to go for the royal nighteyes because they have a bigger item budget. Also they should have only 1.5 mp5, but this is rounded up. It doesn't really matter which you pick to be honest. The new epic 11+healing/5 spirit gem will be the best choice eventually.
As Duky mentioned though, after patch 2.4 we have mana coming out of our ears. This allows resto druids to gem much more aggressively than we could before, and if you don't have a decent set-bonus to preserve, I'd be inclined to gem with full +healing gems.
Edited, May 31st 2008 11:48pm by Ataraxi
One thing to note with the purified shadow pearls is that they are i-level 60, whereas the royal nighteyes are i-level 70, and so have a greater item budget. While spirit has become increasingly useful for us after the 2.4 patch, I'd still be inclined to go for the royal nighteyes because they have a bigger item budget. Also they should have only 1.5 mp5, but this is rounded up. It doesn't really matter which you pick to be honest. The new epic 11+healing/5 spirit gem will be the best choice eventually.
As Duky mentioned though, after patch 2.4 we have mana coming out of our ears. This allows resto druids to gem much more aggressively than we could before, and if you don't have a decent set-bonus to preserve, I'd be inclined to gem with full +healing gems.
Edited, May 31st 2008 11:48pm by Ataraxi
Well, there are currently 33 epic (healer) leather items in the game that have blue sockets, and the ones that are truly loaded with them are the T4-6 sets.
http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&filter=qu=4;minrl=70;cr=119:80:93;crs=1:4:2;crv=0:0:0
I think it comes down to where you stand with your current gear, your role in the raid, and the raid performance and gear level in general.
Important I think is the bonus healing coefficient though, which for Lifebloom is only about 62.16% (according to wowwiki), 80% for Rejuvenation, and 84% for Regrowth.
So if you're grouped with tanks and keep rolling your LB stacks, you're not getting a whole lot out of your bonus healing, making spirit definitely the better choice over anything +heal, especially since a bunch of other healers will benefit greatly from your aura. You'll also unlikely ever get outside the FSR, increasing the importance of regeneration.
It's different when you're instance healing or in a supportive role though, generally with fewer targets and larger heals. 100-120% on Healing Touch, 100% on Swiftmending Regrowth... those definitely favor stacking raw +heal over spirit as long as you can regenerate enough mana to last through the encounter.
I consider Royal Nightseye the worst possible choice for a druid, item budget or not. It doesn't fit into either one of the 2 roles I just mentioned. Healing is equal to the pearl, and spirit gives us just so much more. Item budget doesn't take our 15% spirit boost from Tranquil Spirit into account either.
Luminous Noble Topaz is the perfect choice for a yellow socket to activate the meta since gemming pure intellect just doesn't make much sense.
Socket bonuses are generally worth it, unless you're wearing PvP pieces, though there are some exceptions (like 1 mp5 or +2 spirit). It just depends on what the meta requires and what you could get instead if you were to ignore it.
http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.2&filter=qu=4;minrl=70;cr=119:80:93;crs=1:4:2;crv=0:0:0
I think it comes down to where you stand with your current gear, your role in the raid, and the raid performance and gear level in general.
Important I think is the bonus healing coefficient though, which for Lifebloom is only about 62.16% (according to wowwiki), 80% for Rejuvenation, and 84% for Regrowth.
So if you're grouped with tanks and keep rolling your LB stacks, you're not getting a whole lot out of your bonus healing, making spirit definitely the better choice over anything +heal, especially since a bunch of other healers will benefit greatly from your aura. You'll also unlikely ever get outside the FSR, increasing the importance of regeneration.
It's different when you're instance healing or in a supportive role though, generally with fewer targets and larger heals. 100-120% on Healing Touch, 100% on Swiftmending Regrowth... those definitely favor stacking raw +heal over spirit as long as you can regenerate enough mana to last through the encounter.
I consider Royal Nightseye the worst possible choice for a druid, item budget or not. It doesn't fit into either one of the 2 roles I just mentioned. Healing is equal to the pearl, and spirit gives us just so much more. Item budget doesn't take our 15% spirit boost from Tranquil Spirit into account either.
Luminous Noble Topaz is the perfect choice for a yellow socket to activate the meta since gemming pure intellect just doesn't make much sense.
Socket bonuses are generally worth it, unless you're wearing PvP pieces, though there are some exceptions (like 1 mp5 or +2 spirit). It just depends on what the meta requires and what you could get instead if you were to ignore it.
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Important I think is the bonus healing coefficient though, which for Lifebloom is only about 62.16% (according to wowwiki), 80% for Rejuvenation, and 84% for Regrowth.
So if you're grouped with tanks and keep rolling your LB stacks, you're not getting a whole lot out of your bonus healing
So if you're grouped with tanks and keep rolling your LB stacks, you're not getting a whole lot out of your bonus healing
ACK!!!
That's 62.16% per stack of lifebloom!! (with Empowered Rejuvenation talent). Multiply it by 3 for a rolling 3 stack. +heal is extremely important for us druids.
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Too tired right now to truly grasp the math behind the Lifebloom mechanics. 52% on the first application. Then the same 52% on the 2nd, but it doubles the ticks of the first. Another application with the same coefficient, and it triples. How do they come up with 133% then?
Not arguing it since I can't even think straight right now. Just can't follow it.
I might have been wrong. Someone tell me why :)
Not arguing it since I can't even think straight right now. Just can't follow it.
I might have been wrong. Someone tell me why :)
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+Healing is extremely important for rolling LBs, I'm not willing to look up the number off Wowwiki, but at any extent it is our main stat.
Red Sockets should always have pure healing in them, always.
Blue Sockets should have Healing/Spirit until you reach roughly 200mp5 unbuffed. At that point (which is roughly early T6) Healing and Spirit are about a 1 to 1 ratio and you should only use a blue if the Socket Bonus plus the amount of Spirit are greater then the amount of Healing you lose from Socketing a blue. IE: Life-step Belt, by Socketing 11 Healing/5 Spirit you gain a 7 Healing Socket Bonus, 7+5=12, which is one point more than the 11 Healing lost from a pure 22 Healing gem, so its better to socket that way.
Spirit shouldn't be stacked simply on the idea of boosting the ToL aura, the bonus to healing is ignorable without 2-3 Restos in the tank group. In my gear with BoK I have around 500 spirit, which is 125 to the aura, another 125 healing on a spell. is completely unnoticed in most encounters,there are exceptions to the rule where it can be very useful such as Council or Kalecgos, but in general it will be lost in overhealing.
Yellows should only be used if you are using the Insightful Earthstorm Meta. The Meta is roughly 33mp5 and is nearly always more valuable than the Bracing Earthstorm, however if you reach the point where you no longer need mp5, swapping out the Meta and two 11 Healing/5 Intellect Gems for the Bracing and two pure 22 Healing gems is effectively a trade of 33mp5 and 22 Intellect for 50 Healing. This is an equal trade off at around 250 mp5 unbuffed, which is around late T6.
Red Sockets should always have pure healing in them, always.
Blue Sockets should have Healing/Spirit until you reach roughly 200mp5 unbuffed. At that point (which is roughly early T6) Healing and Spirit are about a 1 to 1 ratio and you should only use a blue if the Socket Bonus plus the amount of Spirit are greater then the amount of Healing you lose from Socketing a blue. IE: Life-step Belt, by Socketing 11 Healing/5 Spirit you gain a 7 Healing Socket Bonus, 7+5=12, which is one point more than the 11 Healing lost from a pure 22 Healing gem, so its better to socket that way.
Spirit shouldn't be stacked simply on the idea of boosting the ToL aura, the bonus to healing is ignorable without 2-3 Restos in the tank group. In my gear with BoK I have around 500 spirit, which is 125 to the aura, another 125 healing on a spell. is completely unnoticed in most encounters,there are exceptions to the rule where it can be very useful such as Council or Kalecgos, but in general it will be lost in overhealing.
Yellows should only be used if you are using the Insightful Earthstorm Meta. The Meta is roughly 33mp5 and is nearly always more valuable than the Bracing Earthstorm, however if you reach the point where you no longer need mp5, swapping out the Meta and two 11 Healing/5 Intellect Gems for the Bracing and two pure 22 Healing gems is effectively a trade of 33mp5 and 22 Intellect for 50 Healing. This is an equal trade off at around 250 mp5 unbuffed, which is around late T6.
Though I still can't quite figure out the correct coefficient (and other people seem to have the same problem after looking around on the net), I found an interesting write-up about the value of mp5:
http://resto4life.blogspot.com/2007/09/mp5-vs-healing.html
It comes to the conclusion that 1 mp5 is equivalent +11 heal
Best and easiest advice comes from the comments:
http://resto4life.blogspot.com/2007/09/mp5-vs-healing.html
It comes to the conclusion that 1 mp5 is equivalent +11 heal
Best and easiest advice comes from the comments:
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If your tank is dying because you ran out of mana, stack more mana/5 (or Spirit). If your tank is dying and you still have mana, stack more +heal. And if your tank ain't dead, stack a little of both!
ok never heard of or item budget i think it was. care to explain or is that what lvl the item is supose to be>?
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I used 2 and only 2 gems until I reached 1700 healing and that was Purified Shadow Pearl and Luminous Nobles and balanced them across the slots. With intensity and living spirit talent you do not need royal nights to have enough regen. Once I hit +1700 I began replacing luminous nobles in straight yellow slots for brilliant dawnstones to increase mana pool but primarily crit chance while keeping above 1700. Raid buffed, I regen mana like I am drinking, can constant stack 3 LBs and rejuv on tank for free or can spam regrowths for near constant 4k crits for several minutes if I really want to.
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