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Im a lvl 66 frost mage, I plan on doing pvp, 5 man and 10 man and eventually raids ...Im currently alchemy/herbs and I was wondering if switching alchemy to tailoring would be worth it for the gear?...On a side note would any of the gear you get from tailoring work as fill ins with my pvp gear or are there better choices out there? Any help would be appreciated
The tailoring gear is GREAT for PVE and should be better than most of the T4 you will get.
It's not great for PVE and the welfare PVP epics will be much better.
It's not great for PVE and the welfare PVP epics will be much better.
The tailored epic sets will last you deep into the T5 raids. They aren't great for PvP b/c of the lack of stam/resil, but do fine in AV (technically PvP, but PvE enough).
Spellfire with Spellstrike is great for raw damage. The PvP S1 (soon to be S2) stuff works fine for the starting raids and does good for 5-mans, where spell hit isn't going to be a deal breaker, but past Kara you will want to move past the PvP gear. (Frozen Shadowweave set is also great for frost mages, but don't expect to do as much damage as the fire mages in their set.)
Some of the PvP accessories (neck in particular) are better than some PvE stuff you will get for a while, too. So its worth doing little bit of everything.
Spellfire with Spellstrike is great for raw damage. The PvP S1 (soon to be S2) stuff works fine for the starting raids and does good for 5-mans, where spell hit isn't going to be a deal breaker, but past Kara you will want to move past the PvP gear. (Frozen Shadowweave set is also great for frost mages, but don't expect to do as much damage as the fire mages in their set.)
Some of the PvP accessories (neck in particular) are better than some PvE stuff you will get for a while, too. So its worth doing little bit of everything.
Thx this is exactly what i wanted to hear....Im definitely gonna think about changing to tailoring now. Last question would be is alchemy worth dropping?....I know I can make some good stuff later but I dont know if it better than getting the tailoring epics?
If you are able to keep it with tailoring, I would do that. The trinket you can make from SSO is awesome. If you have another 70 who is herbalism, definitely keep alchemy. Herbalism is decent money maker, but with the new dailies, money shouldn't be a problem for anyone anymore.
I kept alchemy, and its so convient to be able to make your own consumes. And i make more money off of my alch than i do off my herb. I dont regret the decision one bit.
however, i did find myself very jealous of tailors at parts of the game.
however, i did find myself very jealous of tailors at parts of the game.
I would be careful to go tailoring if you plan on staying frost forever. I do not like advising tailoring for the shadoweave pieces because it is so inferior to spellfire. If you are game to switch specs depending on PvP or PvE (I encourage it) then start leveling your tailoring today.
Zisikpus wrote:
I would be careful to go tailoring if you plan on staying frost forever. I do not like advising tailoring for the shadoweave pieces because it is so inferior to spellfire. If you are game to switch specs depending on PvP or PvE (I encourage it) then start leveling your tailoring today.
Actually, FSW is only inferior b/c the set bonus is not as grand (for mages) as the bonus for Spellfire. It is still great in all other aspects, and will still last into the mid-T5 raids. The +frost damage it provides is still worth it if you plan on staying frost.
Depending on how much time for playing you have, and how many heroics and Kara runs you will make, there may be no need to drop tailoring. Or how much money you have actually.
I have always kept herb and alchemy and I always did very well. You only need tailoring for the Spellfire set. The robes from last boss in MgT heroic are better than the Spellfire robe, and the Belt of Blasting is better than the Spellfire Belt. As for the gloves, the badge ones or the ones from Attumen are very close if not as good..
I have always kept herb and alchemy and I always did very well. You only need tailoring for the Spellfire set. The robes from last boss in MgT heroic are better than the Spellfire robe, and the Belt of Blasting is better than the Spellfire Belt. As for the gloves, the badge ones or the ones from Attumen are very close if not as good..
Scarlet Sin'dorei Robes from Kael
Spellfire Robe
Handwraps of Flowing Thought from Attumen
Spellfire Gloves
Best of Blasting
Spellfire Belt
For robes and gloves, the Spellfire are superior. For belt, the blasting is a BOE pattern from T5 instances, and is better all around, but mats for it are far more expensive, and using it loses the great set bonus from the set.
I would keep that set together until Vestments of the Sea-Wtich drops, to use with the belt of blasting, then either the spellfire gloves or Studious Wraps from badges.
Spellfire Robe
Handwraps of Flowing Thought from Attumen
Spellfire Gloves
Best of Blasting
Spellfire Belt
For robes and gloves, the Spellfire are superior. For belt, the blasting is a BOE pattern from T5 instances, and is better all around, but mats for it are far more expensive, and using it loses the great set bonus from the set.
I would keep that set together until Vestments of the Sea-Wtich drops, to use with the belt of blasting, then either the spellfire gloves or Studious Wraps from badges.
The stamina, int, extra crit, extra socket and socket bonus of the Kael robes make them at least as good as the spellfire ones, if not better.
The belt of blasting is not that expensive, a full round of dailies for a couple of days should easily get the money for the vortexes.
As for the gloves, what good does it do to have extra damage if you then need to compensate the lack of hit with gems, instead of being able to use damage gems wherever you can because you already have good hit from equip bonuses, which also allows you to use a better trinket than the scryer one for example.
I understand that many mages used tailoring when they wished perhaps they had another profession, but thats not a reason to rate me down just because i offered a valid piece of advice and a word of caution. For me it worked very well without tailoring, and I don't see why I should lie or stick my head in the sand because my dps was just as good nonetheless.
The belt of blasting is not that expensive, a full round of dailies for a couple of days should easily get the money for the vortexes.
As for the gloves, what good does it do to have extra damage if you then need to compensate the lack of hit with gems, instead of being able to use damage gems wherever you can because you already have good hit from equip bonuses, which also allows you to use a better trinket than the scryer one for example.
I understand that many mages used tailoring when they wished perhaps they had another profession, but thats not a reason to rate me down just because i offered a valid piece of advice and a word of caution. For me it worked very well without tailoring, and I don't see why I should lie or stick my head in the sand because my dps was just as good nonetheless.
Amaiya wrote:
The stamina, int, extra crit, extra socket and socket bonus of the Kael robes make them at least as good as the spellfire ones, if not better.
The belt of blasting is not that expensive, a full round of dailies for a couple of days should easily get the money for the vortexes.
As for the gloves, what good does it do to have extra damage if you then need to compensate the lack of hit with gems, instead of being able to use damage gems wherever you can because you already have good hit from equip bonuses, which also allows you to use a better trinket than the scryer one for example.
I understand that many mages used tailoring when they wished perhaps they had another profession, but thats not a reason to rate me down just because i offered a valid piece of advice and a word of caution. For me it worked very well without tailoring, and I don't see why I should lie or stick my head in the sand because my dps was just as good nonetheless.
The belt of blasting is not that expensive, a full round of dailies for a couple of days should easily get the money for the vortexes.
As for the gloves, what good does it do to have extra damage if you then need to compensate the lack of hit with gems, instead of being able to use damage gems wherever you can because you already have good hit from equip bonuses, which also allows you to use a better trinket than the scryer one for example.
I understand that many mages used tailoring when they wished perhaps they had another profession, but thats not a reason to rate me down just because i offered a valid piece of advice and a word of caution. For me it worked very well without tailoring, and I don't see why I should lie or stick my head in the sand because my dps was just as good nonetheless.
No, the Kael robes are worse. Even using +12 spd gems you exchange a large amount of spd for a fair amount of crit (it has one more socket, so using BT gems is in sin'dorei's favour). Give the spellfire robes a third of the bonus spell damage from the bonus.
Let's compare your three items of fail to the trifecta of awesome that is Spellfire, shall we? 12 SPD in all sockets. Sin'dorei would be best with 6spd 5sphit 7stm 6spd, so that will be the one exception.
YOUR FAIL SET
Stam: 31 + 24 + 0 = 55
Int: 22 + 22 + 0 = 44
SPD: 77 + 59 + 74 = 210
SPCRIT: 36 + 0 + 30 = 66
SPHIT: 5 + 14 + 23 = 42
SPELLFIRE, THE PUREBLOODED SUPERIOR SET FOR MAGES WITH A SEMBLANCE OF SKILL
Stam: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Int: 17 + 10 + 18 = 41
SPD: 96 + 74 + 74 + (Set)45 = 289
SPCRIT: 28 + 23 + 18 = 69
SPHIT: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Spellfire over your set:
Stam: - 55
Int -3
SPD: +79
SPCRIT: +3
SPhit: -42
Using Kavek's patented Gem Equvalence Points (How much it's worth in ibudget):
79 SPD = 6.58333
42 hit = 4.2
3 crit = 0.3
= Spellfire ahead with a wonderous 2.68333 GEP. Flawless victory.
Oh, and you lose 55 stam. Who cares? Unless you're in Sunwell, or have high stam normal gear (in which case you care for arch, naj'entus, maybe Gorefiend) you sure don't. 55 stam is = 3.667 GEP if you do care, which puts it ahead. Mostly you don't. Dying is almost always something that only happens if you're bad.
This post may contain traces of exageration. Unsuitable for pregnant women, people without a sense of humour and probably the intended reader. Oh well.
How could I have been so wrong. The difference is clearly so big and worthy of sacrificing a more useful profession, and it will make such a huge change in the dps and raid performance. All mages without tailoring should bow to your wisdom and then give up raiding and go cry in a corner.
I'll go level tailoring now. Thank you for setting me on the right path.
I'll go level tailoring now. Thank you for setting me on the right path.
I dropped tailoring months ago, very happy with my decision. Probably one of the biggest wastes of my personal gold was leveling it in the first place. I hate dailies, and if you go tailoring/enchanting that's the route you will take for making gold unless you play the AH.
I'm an enchanter/herbalism and happy with my professions.
If you're going to drop something for tailoring, drop alchemy not herbalism, alchemy sucks and your 15g a day profit from transmutes is not a good reason to keep the profession. You will not make profit buying herbs on the AH, crafting potions and selling them. At best you will barely break even. Alchemy without herbalism is a complete waste of a profession slot.
These threads are dumb imo, "is it worth it". Is it worth it to spend 325g per gem to gem for full epics? Is it worth it to drop epic gems in spellstrike? Is it worth it to put sunfire on a blade that barely cracks 200 spell damage? Is it worth it to powerlevel enchanting, enchant your rings then drop it for leatherworking (haste drums)? Is it worth it to pay 3000g for personal rating to get a S4 spellblade? What about paying 5000g for a ZA run through and the eventual Hex Shrunken Head?
These will all boost your DPS for alot of gold or time spent. I don't know if it's "worth it", thats up to you. I can think of ways for you to blow 25,000g to increase your DPS- some will be minor (5dps) some will be major (50dps) but they all involve trading gold + time for DPS.
I'm an enchanter/herbalism and happy with my professions.
If you're going to drop something for tailoring, drop alchemy not herbalism, alchemy sucks and your 15g a day profit from transmutes is not a good reason to keep the profession. You will not make profit buying herbs on the AH, crafting potions and selling them. At best you will barely break even. Alchemy without herbalism is a complete waste of a profession slot.
These threads are dumb imo, "is it worth it". Is it worth it to spend 325g per gem to gem for full epics? Is it worth it to drop epic gems in spellstrike? Is it worth it to put sunfire on a blade that barely cracks 200 spell damage? Is it worth it to powerlevel enchanting, enchant your rings then drop it for leatherworking (haste drums)? Is it worth it to pay 3000g for personal rating to get a S4 spellblade? What about paying 5000g for a ZA run through and the eventual Hex Shrunken Head?
These will all boost your DPS for alot of gold or time spent. I don't know if it's "worth it", thats up to you. I can think of ways for you to blow 25,000g to increase your DPS- some will be minor (5dps) some will be major (50dps) but they all involve trading gold + time for DPS.
mikelolol wrote:
I dropped tailoring months ago, very happy with my decision. Probably one of the biggest wastes of my personal gold was leveling it in the first place. I hate dailies, and if you go tailoring/enchanting that's the route you will take for making gold unless you play the AH.
I'm an enchanter/herbalism and happy with my professions.
If you're going to drop something for tailoring, drop alchemy not herbalism, alchemy sucks and your 15g a day profit from transmutes is not a good reason to keep the profession. You will not make profit buying herbs on the AH, crafting potions and selling them. At best you will barely break even. Alchemy without herbalism is a complete waste of a profession slot.
These threads are dumb imo, "is it worth it". Is it worth it to spend 325g per gem to gem for full epics? Is it worth it to drop epic gems in spellstrike? Is it worth it to put sunfire on a blade that barely cracks 200 spell damage? Is it worth it to powerlevel enchanting, enchant your rings then drop it for leatherworking (haste drums)? Is it worth it to pay 3000g for personal rating to get a S4 spellblade? What about paying 5000g for a ZA run through and the eventual Hex Shrunken Head?
These will all boost your DPS for alot of gold or time spent. I don't know if it's "worth it", thats up to you. I can think of ways for you to blow 25,000g to increase your DPS- some will be minor (5dps) some will be major (50dps) but they all involve trading gold + time for DPS.
I'm an enchanter/herbalism and happy with my professions.
If you're going to drop something for tailoring, drop alchemy not herbalism, alchemy sucks and your 15g a day profit from transmutes is not a good reason to keep the profession. You will not make profit buying herbs on the AH, crafting potions and selling them. At best you will barely break even. Alchemy without herbalism is a complete waste of a profession slot.
These threads are dumb imo, "is it worth it". Is it worth it to spend 325g per gem to gem for full epics? Is it worth it to drop epic gems in spellstrike? Is it worth it to put sunfire on a blade that barely cracks 200 spell damage? Is it worth it to powerlevel enchanting, enchant your rings then drop it for leatherworking (haste drums)? Is it worth it to pay 3000g for personal rating to get a S4 spellblade? What about paying 5000g for a ZA run through and the eventual Hex Shrunken Head?
These will all boost your DPS for alot of gold or time spent. I don't know if it's "worth it", thats up to you. I can think of ways for you to blow 25,000g to increase your DPS- some will be minor (5dps) some will be major (50dps) but they all involve trading gold + time for DPS.
excellent post.
Amaiya wrote:
How could I have been so wrong. The difference is clearly so big and worthy of sacrificing a more useful profession, and it will make such a huge change in the dps and raid performance. All mages without tailoring should bow to your wisdom and then give up raiding and go cry in a corner.
I'll go level tailoring now. Thank you for setting me on the right path.
I'll go level tailoring now. Thank you for setting me on the right path.
There was a disclaimer in place so you didn't react this way =( Why can't we all be friends, guys?
Mhog wrote:
If you are able to keep it with tailoring, I would do that. The trinket you can make from SSO is awesome. If you have another 70 who is herbalism, definitely keep alchemy. Herbalism is decent money maker, but with the new dailies, money shouldn't be a problem for anyone anymore.
Maybe I'm a moron (a definite possibility), but what trinket are you talking about?
danoatnova wrote:
Mhog wrote:
If you are able to keep it with tailoring, I would do that. The trinket you can make from SSO is awesome. If you have another 70 who is herbalism, definitely keep alchemy. Herbalism is decent money maker, but with the new dailies, money shouldn't be a problem for anyone anymore.
Maybe I'm a moron (a definite possibility), but what trinket are you talking about?
the alchemist stone.
Specifically, Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone.
Mhog wrote:
Specifically, Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone.
Gotcha. I read the OP as a trinket made from tailoring..
Nevermind, nothing to see here. Move along.
Definately start tailoring as soon as you can. You should be able to get it to the Spellfire set levels fairly quickly. One little tip though for 370+, make the belt at 374 and it will always get you to 375. When I did my mage, which was my 3rd character, I was able to do both tailoring and eng while I leveled, which was nice.
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