I'm fairly new to WoW still, only been playing a few months. Highest character is 23 and I'm still bouncing around finding what Race/Class I really enjoy.
I'm going to be duoing with a Rogue on my Paladin. We're just entering our teens (12 and 13 respectively) and my HOPE is that she'd be able to pull, I'd be able to grab the mob's focus for the first part of the fight to allow any moves where the Rogue would need to be behind the mob.
My thought is if the Rogue is pulling, once I hit 14 I'd be able to use Righteous Defense to grab the pull and any adds/links onto me, use SoC and Judgment right away, then use SoR to prolong hate as long as I can.
Sorry to ask such a newbie question...I just haven't grouped with many people of different classes to see how things are done, and don't have the mechanics of aggro down the way I do for other games.
Oh, and I'm going to be heading down Retribution if that matters.
Thanks all :)
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Why is the rogue pulling? If you want the mobs on you, then you should pull.
Force of habit from a few years of FFXI :p Ranged pulls back to a camp.
I hate aggro pulling if I can help it. I don't mind pulling at all, just unsure of good methods without anything of range.
I hate aggro pulling if I can help it. I don't mind pulling at all, just unsure of good methods without anything of range.
yeah, just pull like crazy. run into a couple mobs and just go at it, if there is two of you it will be no problem taking out multiples.
Just keep righteous fury up and do your thing. the mobs will be stuck to you.
Just keep righteous fury up and do your thing. the mobs will be stuck to you.
Fair enough.
I guess I can pretty much leverage the fact that things can pound on me for a while while we gang up on the one and then turn onto the next after that huh?
With Righteous Fury up, anything special I should be doing, or just pound the crap out of things with SoR up?
Sorry again about asking such simple questions...I just hate not having an idea how to approach things.
I guess I can pretty much leverage the fact that things can pound on me for a while while we gang up on the one and then turn onto the next after that huh?
With Righteous Fury up, anything special I should be doing, or just pound the crap out of things with SoR up?
Sorry again about asking such simple questions...I just hate not having an idea how to approach things.
Try this:
Turn on Righteous Fury (once you hit lvl 16)
Turn on Seal of the Crusader
Get near mob
Judge the seal on mob
Mob should attack you (if it hasn't already).
Then, use Seal of Righteousness. Judge Righteousness everytime the Cooldown is up, and re-seal immediately.
You shouldn't need Seal/Judgement of the Crusader on that mob anymore.
That's pretty much it.
Now, some humanoid mobs will run away when they get low on health. This can get dangerous since they will come back with friends. So if they start to run, hit them with Hammer of Justice (i.e. your stun ability). That should hold them in place for you and the rogue to kill them safely. Remember to save this stun for situations like that. The worst thing is when your stun is on cooldown, and the mob starts to run.
That should be good enough to get you going. Good luck, and have fun :)
EDIT - Didn't realize your level. Had to edit some content since the skills don't come later.
Edited, May 30th 2008 1:04pm by YJMark
Edited, May 30th 2008 1:06pm by YJMark
Turn on Righteous Fury (once you hit lvl 16)
Turn on Seal of the Crusader
Get near mob
Judge the seal on mob
Mob should attack you (if it hasn't already).
Then, use Seal of Righteousness. Judge Righteousness everytime the Cooldown is up, and re-seal immediately.
You shouldn't need Seal/Judgement of the Crusader on that mob anymore.
That's pretty much it.
Now, some humanoid mobs will run away when they get low on health. This can get dangerous since they will come back with friends. So if they start to run, hit them with Hammer of Justice (i.e. your stun ability). That should hold them in place for you and the rogue to kill them safely. Remember to save this stun for situations like that. The worst thing is when your stun is on cooldown, and the mob starts to run.
That should be good enough to get you going. Good luck, and have fun :)
EDIT - Didn't realize your level. Had to edit some content since the skills don't come later.
Edited, May 30th 2008 1:04pm by YJMark
Edited, May 30th 2008 1:06pm by YJMark
wouldnt hurt to have you and your friend get Omen, a threat meter, so you can see how close he is to pulling aggro.
If you are miles ahead of him on threat, no need to blow so much mana on judgements.
If you are miles ahead of him on threat, no need to blow so much mana on judgements.
Good call on Omen. The Rogue is my wife and I'm actually going to wipe and reinstall all the Add-Ons to clean up some old ones, and I'll make sure to add Omen.
That rotation of abilities is along the lines of what I was thinking and is awesome for what I was looking for.
Thank you both so much, totally answered all my questions!
That rotation of abilities is along the lines of what I was thinking and is awesome for what I was looking for.
Thank you both so much, totally answered all my questions!
If you get in trouble keeping aggro in larger groups (especially if you are supposed to be the tank), Righteous Fury and a few blasts of Consecration will blow your mana but give you aggro on most of the surrounding area. I burn through mana like crazy doing this, but i have gotten mobs off of my healers and dps'ers in dungeons by doing this. Make sure the healers are ready to heal YOU when you do this. Having aggro on a huge pile is fun when you survive.
SoR deals holy damage with every hit, so a lot of people prefer it to SoC, but I happen to like SoC even though it only procs every 8-9 secs on avg. If you have Ret Aura on, the mobs are taking holy damage just for hitting you, and if you consecrate, they are taking holy damage for standing next to you, so you can use SoC if you prefer it.
I am sure you will get MANY other suggestions too, and they are all pretty good, so just use what works for you. Try a few different things until you get comfortable.
SoR deals holy damage with every hit, so a lot of people prefer it to SoC, but I happen to like SoC even though it only procs every 8-9 secs on avg. If you have Ret Aura on, the mobs are taking holy damage just for hitting you, and if you consecrate, they are taking holy damage for standing next to you, so you can use SoC if you prefer it.
I am sure you will get MANY other suggestions too, and they are all pretty good, so just use what works for you. Try a few different things until you get comfortable.
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Don't forget that on runners you can always judge seal of Justice on your second judge (after Seal of crusader). Also get Seal of Command at 20 and judge it whenever you hammer of justice (big damage bonus).
At level 20 you should
Get a big hurty 2-hander
Righteous Fury on
Blessing of Wisdom for longer grinding sessions or Might if shorter (Might or threat reduction Blessing on Rogue [salvation or something like that])
Ret Aura on
Get near mob and judge Seal of Crusader, immediately (use key binds to make most things faster) re-seal with Seal of Command (or Justice for runners, and judge it as soon as you can and re-seal with Command)
If they run and you didn't Justice them or you need to finish them quick Hammer of Justice them and judge Command (rogue can bandage [herself or you] during stun if need be on longer fights)
Consecrate if you pull 3 or more or if the rogue pulls aggro.
then /spit on mobs corpse, j/k
@jeromesimina I think the SoC they are talking about is Seal of the Crusader not Seal of Command (which I think you are referring to).
At level 20 you should
Get a big hurty 2-hander
Righteous Fury on
Blessing of Wisdom for longer grinding sessions or Might if shorter (Might or threat reduction Blessing on Rogue [salvation or something like that])
Ret Aura on
Get near mob and judge Seal of Crusader, immediately (use key binds to make most things faster) re-seal with Seal of Command (or Justice for runners, and judge it as soon as you can and re-seal with Command)
If they run and you didn't Justice them or you need to finish them quick Hammer of Justice them and judge Command (rogue can bandage [herself or you] during stun if need be on longer fights)
Consecrate if you pull 3 or more or if the rogue pulls aggro.
then /spit on mobs corpse, j/k
@jeromesimina I think the SoC they are talking about is Seal of the Crusader not Seal of Command (which I think you are referring to).
YJMark wrote:
Try this:
Turn on Righteous Fury (once you hit lvl 16)
Turn on Seal of the Crusader
Get near mob
Judge the seal on mob
Turn on Righteous Fury (once you hit lvl 16)
Turn on Seal of the Crusader
Get near mob
Judge the seal on mob
I don't know that I would do it this way with a rogue as a partner. Even with RF, you're going to want some better instant aggro gen than SoC will give you (which is essentially none, btw) I'd use Seal of Righteousness right off the bat like I would on instance trash.
To dawg - body pulling isn't a bad skill to have - though admittedly not hugely necessary. But really with the two of you, it shouldn't be too big of a problem to just wade in and whale away. Personally I'd prefer to body pull or wade in, but only because it's more annoying that it's worth to try to pull aggro off the rogue once they've got it. They tend to not want to stop/reduce the stabbity once they start.
Judment of the Crusader is for Bosses ONLY
Seal of the Crusader is for skilling up a forgoten weapon . . only.
if you find any other use for them, there is a good chance your playing your pally wrong.
Seal of the Crusader is for skilling up a forgoten weapon . . only.
if you find any other use for them, there is a good chance your playing your pally wrong.
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I don't know that I would do it this way with a rogue as a partner. Even with RF, you're going to want some better instant aggro gen than SoC will give you (which is essentially none, btw) I'd use Seal of Righteousness right off the bat like I would on instance trash.
Good point. With a rogue to help you kill faster, this is wasted. Unless it takes you more than 24 seconds to kill a mob, this is pretty much wasted.
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Judment of the Crusader is for Bosses ONLY
How about when taking on elites (world, not instances)? Either way, there are not many left since the patch....so you're pretty much right. I was speaking more from pre-patch experience. I seemed to be fighting elites much more often back then...
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Just a reminder that when you pull multiples, have them in front of you, not behind to reduce the damage you take. Don't let them get behind you. And judge rightousness at start of fight on mob to get more solid agro with a high dps class to partner with. I box a mage with my paly and if you don't start off with a high agro lead the mob will turn on your partner and force you to burn more mana to get agro back.
Well guys...thanks a ton for all the input and help. We've been out a few times, both I think are 17 and we've been doing pretty well I think.
We went ahead and let her pull and see how it went...I use Righteous Defense and the Rogue let's me get a shot in while she's getting positioned, and single mobs die so fast that it hasn't been an issue at all.
For multiple mobs, same basic idea and we team up on one at a time to minimize how many are hitting me. We'd encounter some camps with 4 mobs that were 1-3 levels higher than us and we cleared them out each time with no deaths and little aggro issues.
Again, thanks a lot guys!
We went ahead and let her pull and see how it went...I use Righteous Defense and the Rogue let's me get a shot in while she's getting positioned, and single mobs die so fast that it hasn't been an issue at all.
For multiple mobs, same basic idea and we team up on one at a time to minimize how many are hitting me. We'd encounter some camps with 4 mobs that were 1-3 levels higher than us and we cleared them out each time with no deaths and little aggro issues.
Again, thanks a lot guys!
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I little more tactical advice:
When your pally is pulling a group, just charge right in. You can set up the rogue better by running through to the other side of the mobs. Your Consecrate should get all their attention fast.
When they all turn to face you, the rogue has less maneuvering to get at their backs. Then it's backstab city from the start of the battle.
When your pally is pulling a group, just charge right in. You can set up the rogue better by running through to the other side of the mobs. Your Consecrate should get all their attention fast.
When they all turn to face you, the rogue has less maneuvering to get at their backs. Then it's backstab city from the start of the battle.
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