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#1 May 28 2008 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
Hey Everyone, I'm a long time reader in my spare time while waiting for Flight paths, BG queues, and the other small time consuming parts of WoW that can be best done while it is minimized. I now have come to a standstill where I have no answer based on all the reading I've done, and was wondering if you could answer a few questions for me.

The mage i have been playing(and loving) is now about to hit 70. I thought it would be intelligent at lvl 69 to PvP and get all of my S1 Welfare Epics and my S1 staff, and am now rather confused as to what I should be gemming for. I've got little plans to do PvE, rather i'd be joining some friends and starting our own Arena team and hopefully working through the rankings. I'm just not entirely sure what I should focus on as it pertains to gemming. Should i focus on Stamina? Is Spell Haste worth it in Arena? Should i go straight for Spell Damage? Its all a big loss on me, as i've never really experimented in Arena PvP.

Right now I'm spec'd 17/0/44 (Watched most of Evertras' videos and really learned a lot about them), and I love it. I really enjoy the control burst it provides, yet i'm wondering how to maximize that same damage via Gems. Thanks for the help.

Edited: Spelling Error

Edited, May 29th 2008 3:06am by DuctTapeSavior
#2 May 28 2008 at 11:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Damage, Haste, Stam, Crit. In that order, IMO.

And I wouldn't bother with Haste until you can at least break about 80 or so. But that's personal opinion.
#3 May 29 2008 at 3:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Stamina. At least, that's what I did, and with 11k hp, it's hard to kill me. Some people are confident enough about their skill in avoiding damage, but I'm not, not when it comes to ShS rogues anyway.
#4 May 29 2008 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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It will be difficult to get past 400 resilience without partially gemming for it. I have no 100% resil gems, but I have a number of res/sta gems. Balance them stats. I don't know if it's just because I don't like making decisions, but I generally prefer the mixed gems. Supposedly they have slightly inferior itemization but I'm not sure. At the very least, using the mixed gems makes meeting the meta requirements that much easier.

Speaking of metas, I just got my MSD and managed to notice it proc...once in about 20 Arena matches. I know it's proc'ing way more, but I never friggin notice. Anyone have a tip on that?

Here's a question for you, OP--did grinding BGs at 69 seem more efficient than waiting until 70? I'm debating doing this myself on my druid.

edit: speeling

Edited, May 29th 2008 9:50am by AynLoD
#5 May 29 2008 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Enduring Talasite and damage gems are the way I went. With all the resilience most people have crit isn't as useful as I would like it. You notice a difference in survival with that gem.
#6 May 29 2008 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
Wow, this has been quite the plethora of different responses. It makes me glad to see that there really isn't an overall "Do this" consensus, but I think all of this information has been a helpful addition. As for the grinding at 69, I felt like it truly made a big difference in the terms of (winning) the Battlegrounds and gathering the marks for the lesser BGs, i.e. EoTS, AB, and WSG. I say they are lesser BGs because we all know that at 70, the most efficient way to grind honor without a BG group is via AV. But at 69 (at least on Horde side of the Reckoning Battlegroup) I found myself very confident in winning about 60-80% of the ABs we played, about 85% of the WSG's, and about 99% of the EoTS's. (In truth, i've only had one EoTS loss in the 69 bracket where I came into the game at the beginning. Not saying i'm an all powerful ego god, but i don't count BGs where i don't get the full bonus honor for a win)

But yeah, the 69 Bracket is a ton of fun, mainly because at this point, there really are no more twinks in the brackets, and considering how the only benefit you have to twinking the 69 bracket is that you have maybe 200 more spell damage, and maybe 1000-2000 more hp. And that in itself still doesn't really matter. Well, to sum it up, I thought i'd give BGing in the 69s bracket a try, and it definitly felt better. Granted, the honor is a bit slower than 70, as you've got all the green targets to worry about, its still not terrible considering (if on your server) you may be winning more than losing.

But as for Gems, should i go for MSD for my Meta? or is the Haste proc nerf not worth it anymore?

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P.S. At what point should I stop gemming Spell Damage, or should i try and equally divide damage and life?

Edited, May 29th 2008 1:42pm by DuctTapeSavior
#7 May 29 2008 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Here's a question for you, OP--did grinding BGs at 69 seem more efficient than waiting until 70? I'm debating doing this myself on my druid.


Just went through this myself, and it's actually pretty easy to describe: More fun, less honor, same tokens

67, 68, 69... I was having a damn good time killing things in WSG, AB, and EoTS. When I went from 69 to 70 I changed from a decently equipped 69 to an undergeared 70 and things weren't so great anymore. Can't really hurt anybody, while being in a world of hurt yourself... It sucks.

AV is a bit of an exception. That place is big enough to just kinda blend in and not be immediately noticed, and with it usually being the place where most of the honor comes from I think it really doesn't matter whether one would go there as a 69 or fresh 70 since the outcome is pretty much the same (being the same bracket anyway)

If you can handle being that close to 70 and getting significantly less honor, stay at 69 until you got at least all your tokens together. You can still do AV and just accept getting pwned big time for big honor, though if you can handle that, you might as well level to 70 and get the same honor in all BGs.
#8 May 29 2008 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
The mage's flexibility comes from it's avoidance abilities such as blink,ice barrier,cone of cold,and frost nova spells.
At the moment I have 445 resilience(yeah yeah,i'm an arena nerd),and I have 0 resilience gained from gems.
What I'd be suggesting you would be getting 5spell dmg+6 stamina,4 spell crit rating+5 spell dmg,and 12 spell dmg via honor pts or MGT quest reward.
After very long time PvP'ing with my mage,I've come to conlusion,that + 20 resilience or 15 more stamina WILL NOT save you while you're getting pounded,you'll still have to use your escape spells.

The resilience you will be getting from arena gear(considering that s2 will be coming up soon) is more than enough for a mage.I'd suggest you train yourself with blinks,counterspells,cone of colds and get heavy spell dmg such as 900+.I have 980 spell damage on my mage with s3 gear,and still can't nuke healers that hard.
#9 May 29 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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LadyKyrin the Charming wrote:
Enduring Talasite and damage gems are the way I went. With all the resilience most people have crit isn't as useful as I would like it. You notice a difference in survival with that gem.


Link went to right gem, but wrong name. Steady Talasite is the one that was meant I believe. Enduring is a tanking gem (stam/def).

Edit - spelling

Edited, May 29th 2008 1:11pm by Mhog
#10 May 29 2008 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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AynLoD wrote:
I don't know if it's just because I don't like making decisions, but I generally prefer the mixed gems. Supposedly they have slightly inferior itemization but I'm not sure. At the very least, using the mixed gems makes meeting the meta requirements that much easier.


Mixed gems--actually, mixed stats, are always better itemization. There is a greater penalty on having lots of the same stat on an item than to have a mix of low amounts of many stats on an item with the same Item Budget.

That's why you'll see random greens that give 66 Strength but 38 Intellect and 38 Spirit (total of 76) when they're the same-named green of the same slot but different suffix.

You can get more stats out of two Potent Noble Topazes than out of one Runed Living Ruby and one Gleaming Dawnstone. Not that the difference is huge with gems, though. :P




Edit: When I say better itemization, I mean of squeezing the most stats out of your gear. People still gear straight Runed Living Rubies because Spell Damage simply helps more than Spell Crit in DPS until a very high level of Spell Damage.

Edited, May 29th 2008 9:21pm by Raglu
#11 May 30 2008 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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Raglu wrote:
Your instincts were correct, young padawan.

I rock. ;)

Kanngarnix wrote:
Just went through this myself, and it's actually pretty easy to describe: More fun, less honor, same tokens

Good to hear. What you described is exactly what I was considering--just get my tokens up quickly in the 60s and then worry about the honor points part at 70.

Darmonthegreat wrote:
At the moment I have 445 resilience(yeah yeah,i'm an arena nerd),and I have 0 resilience gained from gems.

So, it's not that I don't believe you, but I am curious how you did it. Would you mind linking your armory?

I'm 2/5 Merc, 3/5 Venge, Merc staff, Venge wand, Vindi boots, Vindi and Vet ring, Vindi neck, Vet's belt and bracers, Sargeants cape...

+15res to chest...

And most of my gems are res/stam mixes...and yet I still have less resil than someone who doesn't get any resil at all from gems.

Edited, May 30th 2008 9:05am by AynLoD
#12 May 30 2008 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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Mhog: Yep, I mislinked, the one you said was the one I was thinking. Thank you.
#13 May 30 2008 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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So, it's not that I don't believe you, but I am curious how you did it. Would you mind linking your armory?


Sure thing. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Argent+Dawn&n=Meltora

We had 2180 2v2 rating,then kept losing to druid+x teams alot.T_T
#14 Jun 02 2008 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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My work laptop hates the eu.wowarmory like my mage hates warlocks, so unfortunately I can't see your toon. But I thought about it and I'm guessing you have the dagger + offhand instead of the staff? If I switched over to that, I could probably regem away from resil and still maitain 425+.

edit: holy typos Batman. Hages = hates and couldn't = could. Anywho.

Edited, Jun 8th 2008 8:57am by AynLoD
#15 Jun 02 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
That is correct,I have dagger+OH combination which gives more spell damage,more resilience overall.Although I miss the 2% crit chance,MH+OH combination is still way better for a mage.
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like my mage hates warlocks

Hatred amongst mages towards locks is understandable,what I'd suggest you would be training more against locks with duels etc.You'll see they're pretty easily beatable for a mage once you get the gear.
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