PvP rogue noob... Spam hemo? Follow

So I finally finished the never ending grind to 70 with my last toon, a rogue. I had intentions of making him a pvp toon for a while. The only downside, is he's a troll, which I know will hurt me in Arena later on...

First things first is, how do I pvp with him. I know that is a broad question, but I have alot to learn. Ive read the stickies, ive read guides, but i need some advice from some true arena rogues out there. Im no slouch when it comes to arena, my lock is at 2070 right now, but for a rogue, im kind of new to things.

Im spec'd 20/41... with 4/5 Vile Poison atm. As for gear, im grinding honor every day and arena pts saving for s4.

My question is, how do you open up on someone, and maintain a stunlock, and how do you handle certain classes? Right now im doing what any noob does, and taking down poorly geared clothies. I generally open up with a premeditate, and a cheap shot... if i dont have 5 pts from the start, ill hemo, and then open with a kidney shot. After that, i have no clue how to continue. My KS is on CD, and i generally spam hemo, maybe a shiv or a slice and dice. I was told by another rogue to just keep spamming hemo, and then KS whenever its available again, maybe vanish and re-CS. Is this true to this build? Spam Hemo and Slice and Dice whenever appropriate?

As for shadowstep, I have no idea when to utilize that. I generally use it after a fear or frost nova, but other than that, i dont know when else to use it. Shiv is the same, I have no clue when to apply that.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

I doubt you've read

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=120762038419980886;num=139;page=1

... else you wouldn't be asking questions the way you are.

You don't always open with CS. For instance, on a mage if you open with CS, he'll blink away. So you're better off using the attack that DOTs and silences for three seconds (can't remember the English term).

It's not always the smartest thing to use your KS right away. You might rather want to save it for a time you have 5 CPs (possibly also EA and/or SnD up) and full energy so that you can CS and burst your target, hopefully to death.

Shadowstep can be used to catch up with a fleeing target or to get back to your target after a quick target swap, etc. It's got a long CD, so just use it smartly (for instance if you have no CP for a DT but need to interrupt, so you ShS and kick).

Your post is really too broad, there's no way to answer you unless by spending a long time writing pages and pages. That's what Theo's post is here for, so just read it and ask specific questions if you have.

The best thing you can do is make sure to know what tools are at your disposal and be smart about using them and learn in the process. There's no "one fits all" solution in this world.

nostra

Thanks.

But I guess it is technically an English word (as well), with Spanish origin (ethymology) :)

F*** me, is that how I always get caught?

You're probably getting caught by sub specced rogues Thomas. We have the talent heighten senses which increases our stealth detection. Also human rogues have the racial skill perception which helps too. I was combat mut for a long time and kept getting sapped/opened on if preception was on cd (but mostly cuz I'm a noob :p ) Being sub definitely makes it easier for me to open on other rogues but like Theo says, it comes with a price...less sustained dps vs combat mut.

But yeah I love it when another rogue walks right by me and sees me a second too late because he's sapped and I'm waiting for my energy bar to tick and getting ready to premed -> cs -> ea -> hemo (once or twice) -> ks...and waiting for him to trinket so I can blind -> vanish -> sap -> reopen with cs, etc.

For me, the hard part is trying to stay calm. I used to have this bad habit of launching my KS the second I had 5pts built up (still do sometimes) which usually means I have no energy. Now once I have 5pts I will wait for my energy to fill up so I can unleash a burst on my opponent. It's the small things that make or break a fight sometimes. Do too many wrong smalls things vs another rogue and you'll probably lose no matter if you outgear him.


edit: last part of my post is to the OP
edit: I think I detected Thomas's humor too late :)


Edited, May 28th 2008 1:29pm by xlpanda

Don't know about now, but it used to be for sure.

Don't forget about your bleeds...

Rupture is a HUGE advantage when fighting geared warriors/pallies.

I honestly can't beleive you left out rogues. If I'm in arena/bg's, I _ALWAYS_ keep a bleed on a rogue. It gives you a slight advantage, unless the other guy is just good enough to time his vanish in between bleed ticks and get another opener.

Edited for grammar.

Edited, May 28th 2008 5:01pm by Salwrathis