Hi fellow Warlocks,
since i am now in a guild ranked at 210 worldwide (according to bosskillers.com) as of today. I want to share an important thing with you i have noticed my guildmates do not not realize.
An important thing is when you are wellgeared and easily overaggro a mob, you should use Corruption and than Immolate to cause a temporary aggrodump on that particular (Boss)-Mob so that the tank gains more time to build up aggro and thus making you soul shatter worth alot more.
With this tactic i am usually able to DPS alot more stable than my fellow, much much better equipped warlocks and in the end i do almost as much dmg as they do.
hope that helped.
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Out of curiosity.. how does using immo/corruption dump threat? It seems outlandish, foolish and totally awesome.
well it is both outlandish, foolish and exotic!
as i wrote but probably didn´t make clear enough it´s a temporary
threathdump giving you the chance to ease on dps, but you still dps, while the tank has the chance to build up more threat, before you use your soulshatter.
Edited, May 27th 2008 4:49pm by Oakenwrath
as i wrote but probably didn´t make clear enough it´s a temporary
threathdump giving you the chance to ease on dps, but you still dps, while the tank has the chance to build up more threat, before you use your soulshatter.
Edited, May 27th 2008 4:49pm by Oakenwrath
it's not an aggro dump, it just simply means you generate the same threat (arguably more) you'd gain from casting SB over those 3.5 seconds except over 18 seconds instead. the fact of the matter though is that you really should have this issue. my my guild our MT pushes out minimum 1.4k TPS, maximum almost 2k TPS so threat is never an issue except for bosses with threat caps (bloodboil), in which case the best solution is rotating Rank.6 and max rank SB in the early phases as well as well timed uses of soulshatter
What I do earlier in the fight if Im having threat problems is to life tap to full mana and just drain life. IMO its a useful waste of dps time since that will equate to more damage later when the tank gets a good lead on threat during those times where everyones running from one thing or another, and when I have enough threat to make soul shatter usefull (usually I do it around 60%).
you're better off down-ranking your SB than using drain life.. more mana efficient and likely to still do more damage :P
If you stop doing any dmg and let yourself go into the 5sr then wait 5 more seconds then SB, you wait 10 seconds to get 5 inside five second rule(i5sr) mana ticks, and 5 outside five second rule(o5sr) mana ticks. At T4 level that's - 500 mana i5sr, and aproximetly 900 mana o5sr, which again is aproximetly 1400 mana/399=3.5 Shadowbolts(free)... Plus, when you stop doing dmg, your DPS doesn't drop
I wonder if my english is that bad or if you guys just have no clue what i am talking about.
I tried to clarify that it is a temporary aggrodrop, that the aggro in the end will be the same or even higher i am aware of, but it to buy time while still DPSing to maximize soulshatter and damage done in the end.
1.4k TPS minimum...hmm in threat-gear that might be doable, but tanks cannot always wear max-threat-equipment.
No matter what if you play on the edge you will constantly be near the tanks threatwise.
Drums of Battle, Bloodlust, Destructionpots...and if you are not used to that, well get used to it, because once you will enter sunwell this is the standard procedure.
It´s wether usefull, nor efficient spent DPS time. Especially not in sunwell, where you are constantly on the move or being hit with AoE.
This tactic will probably wipe the raid if aplied my more than 1 warlock on tight enrage timers. (Brutallus and Twins reverse come to mind)
Are you sure you are playing a warlock, not a druid?
This tactic will probably wipe the raid if aplied my more than 1 warlock on tight enrage timers. (Brutallus and Twins reverse come to mind)
I am talking about playing on the total edge of possible damage, not some weird mana tap/drainlife or 5sec rule tactics.
I will link some wws reports, where warlocks outgear me heavily and in the end, i am so close to them in dmg done, because they have a poor threat management. And when i say poor i mean really poor. More wws to follow, if you guys are interested.
Twins reverse order:
http://wowwebstats.com/qfqgggpyrqsoq?s=181415-216769
(speaking of bloodlust and drums of battle, i didn´t get any of that in this fight, instead everyone above me in dmg done got both 1 bloodlust and 3 drums of battle. i had a conflagrate, they didn´t)
Brutallus:
http://wowwebstats.com/f51gkil2cgbru?s=6992-7364
This is a perfectly good example of why it is great to KEEP Immolate and Corruption in your rotation, mind my equip only 3 t6 pieces.
Translation for the wws:
Schattenblitz - Shadowbolt
Feuerbrand - Immolate
Verderbnis - Corruption
Sorry guys, still have the german client, and the english languagepack refuses to install =/
Edited, May 28th 2008 2:45am by Oakenwrath
Edited, May 28th 2008 2:46am by Oakenwrath
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it's not an aggro dump, it just simply means you generate the same threat (arguably more) you'd gain from casting SB over those 3.5 seconds except over 18 seconds instead. the fact of the matter though is that you really should have this issue. my my guild our MT pushes out minimum 1.4k TPS, maximum almost 2k TPS so threat is never an issue except for bosses with threat caps (bloodboil), in which case the best solution is rotating Rank.6 and max rank SB in the early phases as well as well timed uses of soulshatter
I tried to clarify that it is a temporary aggrodrop, that the aggro in the end will be the same or even higher i am aware of, but it to buy time while still DPSing to maximize soulshatter and damage done in the end.
1.4k TPS minimum...hmm in threat-gear that might be doable, but tanks cannot always wear max-threat-equipment.
No matter what if you play on the edge you will constantly be near the tanks threatwise.
Drums of Battle, Bloodlust, Destructionpots...and if you are not used to that, well get used to it, because once you will enter sunwell this is the standard procedure.
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What I do earlier in the fight if Im having threat problems is to life tap to full mana and just drain life. IMO its a useful waste of dps time since that will equate to more damage later when the tank gets a good lead on threat during those times where everyones running from one thing or another, and when I have enough threat to make soul shatter usefull (usually I do it around 60%).
It´s wether usefull, nor efficient spent DPS time. Especially not in sunwell, where you are constantly on the move or being hit with AoE.
This tactic will probably wipe the raid if aplied my more than 1 warlock on tight enrage timers. (Brutallus and Twins reverse come to mind)
Quote:
If you stop doing any dmg and let yourself go into the 5sr then wait 5 more seconds then SB, you wait 10 seconds to get 5 inside five second rule(i5sr) mana ticks, and 5 outside five second rule(o5sr) mana ticks. At T4 level that's - 500 mana i5sr, and aproximetly 900 mana o5sr, which again is aproximetly 1400 mana/399=3.5 Shadowbolts(free)... Plus, when you stop doing dmg, your DPS doesn't drop
Are you sure you are playing a warlock, not a druid?
This tactic will probably wipe the raid if aplied my more than 1 warlock on tight enrage timers. (Brutallus and Twins reverse come to mind)
I am talking about playing on the total edge of possible damage, not some weird mana tap/drainlife or 5sec rule tactics.
I will link some wws reports, where warlocks outgear me heavily and in the end, i am so close to them in dmg done, because they have a poor threat management. And when i say poor i mean really poor. More wws to follow, if you guys are interested.
Twins reverse order:
http://wowwebstats.com/qfqgggpyrqsoq?s=181415-216769
(speaking of bloodlust and drums of battle, i didn´t get any of that in this fight, instead everyone above me in dmg done got both 1 bloodlust and 3 drums of battle. i had a conflagrate, they didn´t)
Brutallus:
http://wowwebstats.com/f51gkil2cgbru?s=6992-7364
This is a perfectly good example of why it is great to KEEP Immolate and Corruption in your rotation, mind my equip only 3 t6 pieces.
Translation for the wws:
Schattenblitz - Shadowbolt
Feuerbrand - Immolate
Verderbnis - Corruption
Sorry guys, still have the german client, and the english languagepack refuses to install =/
Edited, May 28th 2008 2:45am by Oakenwrath
Edited, May 28th 2008 2:46am by Oakenwrath
free trial no offence but how much spirit do you stack? o.0 my OOC mp5 ticks are for like 200-250mp5... i'd never that much mana in the time you're suggesting and my gear is pretty damn amazing.. you're much better off down-ranking your shadowbolt for like 10 seconds if you're having threat issues OR waiting an additional 2-5 seconds at the start of the encounter before engaging.
oh you could also yell at your tank about how to play... kara epic tanks can push out 1k+ tps without to much issue if they use the right ability rotation so threat shouldn't ever be an issue.
oh you could also yell at your tank about how to play... kara epic tanks can push out 1k+ tps without to much issue if they use the right ability rotation so threat shouldn't ever be an issue.
Trial.. how the hell do you have 500 mp5 from gear? Even if you did (unlikely.. dreamstate druids in T6 don't have that much) then chances are you have no threat problems because the only spell damage you have is from fel armor.
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If you are pulling threat with the dps you linked the problem is your tank. You may be in guild #210 but look at the locks in SK Gaming and see if they cast any corrup or immo. I know playing destro can be wicked boring but don't try to come up with useless tricks to make it more interesting. :P
I've recently gone 0/21/40 (I'd like to have a chance to play every tree at some point) despite my crit being low for it (15%), and I've actually calculated Corruption as a very, very minor (2 damage per cast time) increase of DPS for me, not factoring in human error or the fact that Corruption won't proc ISB.
I'm sure as a Warlock with more Spell Crit rating Corruption will be even more of a loss for you, and Immolate may also be a waste of time.
I'm sure as a Warlock with more Spell Crit rating Corruption will be even more of a loss for you, and Immolate may also be a waste of time.
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Trial.. how the hell do you have 500 mp5 from gear? Even if you did (unlikely.. dreamstate druids in T6 don't have that much) then chances are you have no threat problems because the only spell damage you have is from fel armor.
I do believe he means 500 mp5 Total (that is to say, base % regen, spirit regen, and any mp5.) I do not have a single piece of mp5 on me right now but I would guess my mp5 after not casting for 5 seconds would be close to 500.
The point Trial was making is that while LT, LT, Drain Life may pull in a bit of damage while simultaniously gathering mana, for most people the truth is that in a situation where you're looking to cease threat output breifly (which Drain Life is a poor choice for this anyways) it's often wise to simply sit still and let natural regen come back.
For real mana gathering, Lifetapping works best, allowing free healers to toss a HoT on you when time permits is the best bet (Lifetap is efficient Damage + Heal, but DPS is poor and for just the healing aspect it has very bad Mana efficiency.)
Yeah, I apologize, I really suck at typing what's on my mind, it just kinds flows.. In a really random direction.
Dump - Definition: To drop or let fall in mass
Threat does not Decay, or "drop off". You are stuck with your threat till it increases, is dumped by examples below, or mob dies.
Threat Dump: Invisibility, Feint, Soul Shatter, Feign Death, Vanish
Casting Corruption, Immolate effectively increases your threat over the duration of the spell, in the case of immolate, instant threat plus duration.
I may not be the best at explaining things but it does seem that Corruption/Immolate do not dump threat, even temporarily.
Edited, May 31st 2008 1:27pm by FreeTrial
Threat does not Decay, or "drop off". You are stuck with your threat till it increases, is dumped by examples below, or mob dies.
Threat Dump: Invisibility, Feint, Soul Shatter, Feign Death, Vanish
Casting Corruption, Immolate effectively increases your threat over the duration of the spell, in the case of immolate, instant threat plus duration.
I may not be the best at explaining things but it does seem that Corruption/Immolate do not dump threat, even temporarily.
Edited, May 31st 2008 1:27pm by FreeTrial
I don't think oaken ever meant that they do (poor wording on his choice) just that it gives a bit of time for the tank to develop more threat while you still deal a decent amount of damage in terms of 'damage per seconds cast'
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I don't think oaken ever meant that they do (poor wording on his choice) just that it gives a bit of time for the tank to develop more threat while you still deal a decent amount of damage in terms of 'damage per seconds cast'
finally someone understands me!!!
While I perfectly understand that casting Immolate and Corruption will at the end deal as much threat as they dealt dmg -aggromodifiers, both spells will buy the tank time while you still DPS decent and in the end making you shoulshatter more effective.
Edited, May 31st 2008 4:18pm by Oakenwrath
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