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It would help to know what weapons you'll be using - and if you say swords I will probably fall out of my chair.

Totally disagree here. The need to be behind a target is being taken care of through the Fleet Footed talent which makes those position adjustments a breeze. You're not losing any time either since your energy needs to regenerate anyway. It's absolutely no problem to deal with more than one mob if you know how to use Gauge and Blind. AR and BF have cooldowns, so it's not like you'd have a constant advantage with a combat build.

And while we're at it... there is no need to be continuously stealthed with a Muti build either. Throw & Gauge makes for some rather relaxed grinding.

Not arguing that combat doesn't have it's advantages when it comes to plain grinding, but the differences aren't as dramatic as some people might want it to be, and saying that "Mutilate just fails for leveling" is just plain wrong and arrogant.



No.. there is no waiting as in "standing there while the bar fills up" It does that while I move from front to back of the mob.



How so?



Gouge seems to crit more often than not, resulting thanks Seal Fate in 2 CPs. Another 2 points from the first muti, giving a 4 point KS - enough time for another Muti and an Evis. Why considerably slow myself down through stealth if there is absolutely no need? I can chain-pull without taking any freaking damage.

Throw - gouge - muti - ks - muti - evis - dead mob

I'll kill just as many mobs per hour as a combat build.

I suggest you grab a pair of daggers and try this whole thing out for yourself rather than just make claims that hold up to nothing.

Damage/energy:

Garrote does 11 with 600 Attack power
SS with the same amount of AP and a 2.6 speed 30 DPS weapon Does about 8.40
CS does 0

Assuming that you've got a talented SS at level 50 and accounting for a 20% SS.
Damage per energy it wins. Combo/energy yeah your right you get more for CS, but with combat I don't need them. You can do a lot with a little.

You make two incorrect assumptions.

First that I've never tried Mutilate. That's not true. I have tired it, hence the reason I can say that it is inferior to combat in it's soloing ability and thus leveling. Mutilate is a fantastic PVP spec. It's even a good PVE spec in raids falling just behind combat builds. The difference being that usually there is a certain level of gear that goes with both of those activities but not at level 50. Mutilate has always shined when you've had the itemization for it but until you reach, I don't know maybe level 70, you won't have the gear for it. And as I think about it, mutilate isn't even available until level 50, so between the level restriction and the gear dependencey why is this so amazing for leveling again?

The second being that I use BF and AR simultaneously. Also not true. I've only blown Evasion + AR + BF on elite mobs or mobs WAY more powerful than me and when I'm outnumbered 3 to 1. I have on many occasions used only Blade Flurry on two mobs, or only evasion, and sometimes only Adrenaline Rush depending on mob type and what was on cooldown. Do they make a good combination together certainly, but they don't have to be used together necessarily. You never know when your going to pull something on accident so it's better to save something just in case. Yes, there are actually times when I don't have to use evasion while being attacked by 2 mobs, when there's 3 you bet your a$$ I put up evasion, but for leveling if you prioritize stam and attack power Pre-TBC or +hit, AP, stam when you hit outlands you'll have no problem as a lot of the quest and honor rewards come with those stats handed to you on a silver platter. You can actually take plenty of hits as combat because you kill so fast. I can usually make 3 to 4 pulls before I ever have to bandage/eat.

What does combat have that mutilate doesn't? Simple, I have precision allowing me to hit more often as well as improved dual wield and a reduced cool down time on evasion and sprint. None of which is available to mutilate at level fifty and won't be available to you until 56 - 60 as far as precision goes, where you make up most of your damage losses due to dual wielding. I can use deadly as well as instant poisons while you will be limited to crippling and wounding if you intend to use gouge.

Oh as far as using fleet footed to get around mobs. I tried it as well and unless you are taking advantage of lag, there is no way to execute mutilate from behind unless you are using an incapacitate of some kind. Mobs aren't players. They have instant reaction times, and they don't keyboard turn. The mob always ends up facing you no matter how you try to go around it.

So go ahead and be a "Richard" by Karma hunting me for what comes down to personal preference as you put it. It doesn't change that I'm still right. At the end of the day if you like Mutilate spec it at 70 and don't waste your time for 20 levels. Or ignore me and be plagued by all the problems I've already pointed out. In either case we're now totally off-topic and I hope both of you are quite pleased with yourselves. I just hope that the OP is able to make a better informed decision about how S/HE wants to spec.

*Edited for punctuation among other things.

Edited, May 27th 2008 9:53pm by FelRogue

Edited, May 27th 2008 9:54pm by FelRogue

All of your arguments fail and you are awarded the "Rogue Forum Window Licker" title due to this.

Seriously, you're a ******* ******.

No, Garrote is a bleed and isn't mitigated by armor. I didn't bother to account for armor for sinister strike either as armor values will vary by mob. I tried to use values that were fairly close for a level 50 rogue. Those numbers were reached using equations from wowwiki and then divided by energy cost.

No. I'm afraid not, but feel free to point it out, honestly. All of the values I used actually favored sinister strike at that level. Not accounting for armor actually makes the sinister strike value higher, but my assertion would still be correct if I did account for armor since there would then be a bigger gap in damage/energy. I would be wrong in making the assertion that Garrote>SS at level 70 with epic gear, but I was referring to leveling a character that won't have those things, which I have said repeatedly "at level 50".

Of course I use swords. It takes full advantage of Imp. Ambush... c'mon.



If your question is totally off the subject of the main topic you should probably make a new thread. A topic about shadowstep build is probably not the best place to ask about combat.

I was excited to see 16 replies to the post only to enter and see absolutely nothing about the original post. /wrist

That's because your OP was retarded and answered in other posts.

If you want to spec ShS for leveling, then do so, but don't make a retarded post about it when FAQ after FAQ will tell you that ShS daggers is terribad and that combat is the way to go.

Look... Level 50 and only having those 41 points is just a tad bit to early to really do anything with Shadowstep. You're missing the points that would go into Imp SS or anything over in the Assassination tree - essentials like Malice and Lethality.

Check out the ZOMGONESHOT-whatever level 60 build in the sticky. It's probably exactly what you have in mind to have some fun in PvP with ShS. You'll be short a few points though, and I don't think you'll have much fun leveling with it.

The only dagger build that really works well in all PvE and PvP is Mutilate, and at level 50 you have all the essentials available to get you started. 41 Points Assassination, then fill up either Opportunity or work up your way in Combat. There is a build for that in the sticky too.

I wish I could be more positive, but those two are your only options really if you want to keep your daggers.