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#27 Jun 05 2008 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good

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however, blizzard has stated on more than one occasion that they are "re-evaluating" crushing blows and how they work in raid content. what that means exactly remains to be seen, but we'll find out eventually.

This I did not know, so ty for that.

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because druids can soak crushes with insane armor and hp. DK's, from what we have seen, will not be able to do that.

I don't know about a supremely high health like Druids, but DKs will have a much higher armor then the other plate tanks. Frost Presence increases armor by 45%, which while a much lower % then Druids, still provides a very significant boost because of the fact that DKs will be in plate instead of leather. At level 70 with the same gear as my Prot Paladin a DK would have around 24k armor with Frost Presence up. No, not as high as a Druid, but very respectable. And let's not forget DKs can parry where Druids can't. It seems to be a mid-way point so to speak between the Druid style of mitigating damage and the Warrior/Paladin style of mitigating damage.

If I'm way off, please correct me, but that is what I see.

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#28 Jul 01 2008 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent

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all DK spell scale with AP as far as i heard

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#29 Jul 01 2008 at 1:39 AM Rating: Decent

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Tyr, there's no way Blizzard would purposefully design a class that would take no damage at all. That's the only way they'd reach uncrushable - by never being hit because they parry and dodge so much.

It seems logical to assume that either they will be crushable or that crushing blows are out.
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blizz said in a post they where toning down Crushing blows in WOTLK

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#30 Jul 05 2008 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good

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If they tone down crushing blows, all my work of becoming uncrushable will have been wasted. Does anybody know if blizz plans on replacing them with a different mechanic, or are they just going to work with boss abilities and crits?

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 4:53pm by SomnusSleeper

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#31 Jul 05 2008 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good

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SomnusSleeper wrote:

If they tone down crushing blows, all my work of becoming uncrushable will have been wasted. Does anybody know if blizz plans on replacing them with a different mechanic, or are they just going to work with boss abilities and crits?

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 4:53pm by SomnusSleeper

I don't know specifics about how they are reworking crushing blows and such, but don't worry so much about it. All your "work of becoming uncrushable" will be wasted even if they change nothing. Why? All that gear you have will be replaced by the time you have to worry about being crushable again. Nobody worries about that for leveling dungeons, even though if you are too low mobs/bosses can crush you, and with 10 more levels to go you won't be raiding until your gear is replaced with shiny, new, mis-matching blues/greens ;)

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#32 Jul 06 2008 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent

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Precisely. I would expect T6 tanking gear to be viable (if perhaps not optimal) right up until lvl80 content, at which point all the hard work done by everyone will be essentially worthless. My Warlock was extremely well equipped by the time TBC came around and it was all replaced in three levels, and although the 'gear shock' isnt supposed to be as dramatic this time it is necessary to level the playing field once more.

All the rep and all the grind gets reset for everyone, the only resources that persist are gold, levels, and special mounts/items.

Frankly I'm delighted Crushing Blows are on the way out, artificial gear-checks for entire sets of content are annoying. Skill checks I dont mind, but 'requiring' 490def to step into Heroics was deeply frustrating, and it's leading directly to the shortage of tanks.

DK tanking, I am sincerely hoping, will be interchangeable with DPS without a respec and be avoidance-heavy to ease the burden on the hordes of rather poor healers in WoW 5mans these days.

My big concern is this whole 'anti-caster' concept has just gone by the wayside, DKs actually have barely any true 'anti-caster' abilities; sure they take reduced spell damage sometimes, but AMS is lacklustre and they lack any realistic way to close a caster down besides Mind Freeze which is merely equivalent (and in some cases inferior to) other classes' interrupts.

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#33 Jul 06 2008 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent

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Maulgak wrote:

Quor wrote:

because druids can soak crushes with insane armor and hp. DK's, from what we have seen, will not be able to do that.

I don't know about a supremely high health like Druids, but DKs will have a much higher armor then the other plate tanks. Frost Presence increases armor by 45%, which while a much lower % then Druids, still provides a very significant boost because of the fact that DKs will be in plate instead of leather.

The thing is though, that the boost is presumably there to cover for the fact that Death Knights don't use shields (so less armour) and can't block.

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#34 Jul 06 2008 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good

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lol, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. You're right, with DK's not using a shield, that'll probably put them closer to where a Paladin or Warrior is, not throw them so far over the top. I'll pretend I was going off very little sleep so that I don't seem like such a noob ;)

Although I'm not sure what is worse: the fact I made that statement, or the fact it took someone a month to correct me :D

Edited, Jul 6th 2008 5:00am by Maulgak

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#35 Jul 18 2008 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent

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In all honesty, is there anyone here or anywhere else that didn't expect the DK's to be overpowered and/or misdirected right out of the box?

Actually, no, stop... Let me start over. We just got out of alpha. We're just now beginning beta. And Blizzard didn't get TBC right until well after the official product had already launched. Blizzard didn't even know what to do with Retribution or how to gear it for three and a half years. I understand the cause for concern, the cries of injustice, the wailing and gnashing of teeth, the justification of why everything is going to be ok... Just give it time.

Just give it time.

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