I hope the talents are changed, or the whole class.Follow

I can understand why you would be angry about the Death Knight class and the abilities that they will be getting in the expansion. The thing is that the Paladin class was not meant to do serious damage using melee attacks or spell damage, at least not to me.

I know how out dated this must be but I'll put it up anyways, as stated by Blizzard under the class description, Paladins are:



I know the class description are not at all accurate any longer. Like the shaman being a "secondary tank" is LOL to all of us. Sure shamans can put on a shield and hopefully take an extra hit than say a cloth char or something like that, like that would really save the day.

From my perspective, Paladins are the defender of all that is good/holy in the world, pretty much like a Holy Defender.

As I see it, the Blood Gorged and Will of the Necropolis talent that you are talking about doesn't seem to fit the Paladin class. It seems more like a "haha I have nothing to fear since my health is in top condition" and a last resort/desperate situation where it is "oh noes I'm about to die" type of thing.

Paladins doesn't seem to be the type to a)Laugh at enemies when they are in top condition, and b)Go into a defensive mode in desperate situations. Of course, when the players controlling the Paladin is being considered that's a whole other story.

While looking at the lore of the WoW universe, it seems that the Paladin (at least in WC3) was more of a defensive tank character and the Death Knight was more of a offensive tank.

Even though the abilities and talents that the Death Knight classes are going to get, you can take out your rage on them as it seems Paladins are going to be the natural anti-Death Knight class.

To be honest, Impurity has me worried as hell Distaint.

Ret pld tried to make the whole melee + spelldmg thing work, and it failed. The last few patch have buffed Ret PLD by removing their dependency on spell damage.

Seeing the unholy tree focus on it, doesn't make me happy. It's like Blizzard didn't learn from it's mistake.

Hell, look at Blood - There's nothing about spell damage there, and it's obviously the dps tree (As well as the most solid one on paper).

I can see how Blood work. I can see how Frost work... but unholy seem clunky.

So I guess we'll see.

Your tanking tree is right here

It's pretty simple in concept. Spam Runes as fast as possible to get Blade Barrier up.

I'm fairly certain one of the ice ability will have a high threat component.

I too was kinda puzzled at first by the frost tree, since it doesn't really feel like a tanking tree at all... and it isn't really. It's a deep control tree with some tanking abilities, the other half of the tanking abilities are in blood.

It's like I've taken off my noob-colored glasses. I do see it now, and I agree, it's not much of a tanking spec. Either way, I want change, the tanking aspect of this class is hidden and that's not a good thing.



On the same note, I noticed this too. Any bosses like Prince are just not going to happen. Any boss that can parry you is going to cut you right in half - ontop of the being crushable as Sinstralis already mentioned.

I'm not quite sure I see the problem.

Frost Presence gives +45% Armor, which is equal to a shield.

+30% Parry from Blade Barrier more or less takes care of the lack of block, making the DK capable of reaching Uncrushable. In fact, parry is better then block in every way.

Blade Barrier has a 15 second duration, so all you need to do is find a 'rotation' of ability that will deplete all your rune every 15 seconds. Having played a rogue before, I don't really see how that's a problem.

GCD included, you'll be able to use 10 ability during that 15 seconds...

To give you an idea, a Rogue who starts at 100 Energy and get 20 Energy back every tick, gets to use 6.5 Sinister Strike per 15 seconds... or more Realistically speaking, 1 SS, 1 S&D and then 4 more SS, so a total of 6 abilities.

Do you honestly think the DK will be inputting 130% more command then rogues, the most twitch class in the game? No... so there's no way Runes are going up faster than Energy is - which is the only way not being able to hit 0 every 15 seconds could happen.

If the talent that increase your frost rune regeneration is an issue, then it will simply be skipped.



Edited, May 28th 2008 1:44am by Tyrandor

That's when the mob parries you.

I'm not sure the parry speed buff applies to Character... but even if it does, considering most of the best tanking weapon in the game are fast weapon, I don't see how it's a big deal...

The parry haste, if it applies, won't make your 2 hander hit at 1.6 speed...

Although I guess DK might end up DW'ing to +Def weapons instead.

either way it seems the tanking DK to be is going to have and beat down on the target a little longer to get his runes up but once he is started there will be near no stoping him

allthough the frost "Aura" (dont remeber what its called) seems like a GREAT way to hold agro and not die at the same time

although i have to agree i really wish they would make the pallys a little more offencive allthough i love my bubble/heal =)

Edited, May 29th 2008 10:54am by twizkid

From the latest Alpha Build (8391) Patch notes

Death Knight

Icy Talons - You leech heat from targets of your Icy Touch, so that when their melee, ranged and casting speed are reduced, yours speed up by 3%/6%/9%/12%/15% for the next 20 sec

Killing Machine - After landing a melee critical strike, there is a 20%/40%/60%/80%/100% chance your next Icy Touch, Mind Freeze or Howling Blast spell will be a critical strike.

Empowered Blood Presence - Strengthens the Death Knight and party members within 30 yards with the presence of blood, increasing damage and healing by 15%. Only one Presence may be active at a time.

Ebon Plaguebringer - Whenever an enemy is infected by a stack of 3 of your diseases, they also become infected by Ebon Plague, which increases their vulnerability to magic damage by 3%/6%/9%/12%/15% for 15 sec.

Heart Strike - Level 55 Skill - "A debilitating attack that lowers the target's total health by 20%, up to 3000, for 30sec."

Arcane Torrent (BE Racial) - Silence all enemies within 8 yards for 2 sec. In addition, you gain 10 Runic Power for each Mana Tap charge currently affecting you.

I wouldn't worry that much. It's a long time before WotLK comes out and I'm sure theres a lot that Blizz hasn't told us.

Or shackled by a priest.

Or WTF pwned by Excorcism using Ret Paladin after he gets a white hit crit, a crusader strike crit and a WF crit.

It would also mean it becomes immune to polymorph and other effects that target 'humanoids'

because druids can soak crushes with insane armor and hp. DK's, from what we have seen, will not be able to do that.

however, blizzard has stated on more than one occasion that they are "re-evaluating" crushing blows and how they work in raid content. what that means exactly remains to be seen, but we'll find out eventually.