Kara Requirments?Follow

Ok, i am about 5 hours of playing away from 70. MY guild i about to start doing kara, and i will have a slot. My question is what are the kara reqrments for rogue? AP, Crit, hp, hit rating, expertise, the works. I'm not looking for maybe 1 up from bare minimum. My spec is good. I have good rotations. I just need to know what i should gear up for. If possible any help is great. Thanks. (no i didnt not search forums for anything like this sry.)

Off the top of my head I would say these are pretty good starting amounts:
-150 HR (more the better)
-1300 AP
-23% Crit
-Expertise is good if you can get it but if not don't sweat it right away.
-8500 HP or so to survive some hits.

Those are the numbers I tried to reach before I raided and it helped a lot.

There's nothing in Kara that does more than 6k damage in a hit raid wide wise (Aran's Pyro is highest - you should NEVER encounter this). You don't need to be a panzer tank; health is really not that vital.

Edited, May 26th 2008 9:44pm by Kavekk

Still... the least you can do is make sure that your buffed HP is at least equal to the highest hit you might possibly have to swallow, and it's not like that would be terribly difficult.

I'm healing with my druid, and just like every other healer, sometimes we need to really set priorities in the order heals are handed out - in addition to having to battle global cooldowns, dealing with the encounter in general, and whatever else.

Of course you shouldn't draw aggro. That's what Omen and Feint are there for. Being the random target can hurt quite a bit though, especially when you're not only taking direct damage, but a DoT as well.

Thing is... if you don't leave a bit of a stamina buffer for you healers you might die, with your dps contribution dropping down to zero.

Here's BigDaddyJug's thread from January that has helped me out (still have it saved Big lol). Anyway, even though it's been answered from those above, I figured I'd still link it.

=)

What? I didn't bump the thread.... what are you talking about?

*looks around*

To the OP: Gratz on your new adventure! Kara is one of my favorite instances in the game and it's chock full of win, imho.

Looking at your armory: Stop gemming for AP or Stam. Stack +hit until you get 150-200. Run the 70 instances for some of the drop blues. BM, Seth Halls and SLabs will probably be first. There are also drops in others of course, but I'd start with those three.

The 3.5 dungeon set (Assassination) has a decent 2-piece bonus (haste after your trash opener is pretty nice) and is a good starting point for pre-raid gear.

It (almost) never makes sense for a pve set to stack for stam with gems or enchants. Plenty of stam comes along with the pieces that have the priority stats you're looking for (in order: hit, agi, ap, crit).

You cannot underestimate the importance of hit in a combat build.

For minimums I'd agree with most of the above. 150+ hit, 1200+ ap, 7k hp, etc. would very, very bare minimums. But if your group can start running Attumen/Moroes/Maiden there are some drops off those that will make a huge difference.

Happy hunting and remember: DON'T MOVE DURING FLAME WREATH!!!

Thats not a reason for you to need more than 6k health. Thats a reason for you to not be stupid and pay attention to your surroundings.

Also, I think it would be hard to not have 6k health if you are properly geared for Kara.

Why would I try doing something that's obviously a bad idea? O.o

Healers be damned, 6k unbuffed is fine.

You dont think I know this :)

I think you are on the right track Leodis. Your AP could use a little boost, and if you are just entering Kara you have some room to shift some hit into that space. Pretty impressive for mostly blues and some green trinkets.

Edited, May 28th 2008 12:49pm by AtrophyGFour

Yeah Leo, about the only thing you could stand to upgrade is trinkets.

Everything else looks great.

btw those stats, 1200 ap 20% crit, ~140 hit rating, those are for combat swords. you need to adjust accordingly for shs and mutilate.
also, your skill/rotation matters a lot too.
most dps spreadsheets will let you manually input gear stats, and while it sucks and can take a while, you can see what your estimated raw dps is and then see what rotation you should use.
just remember to keep SnD up, and to not just dump CPs into SnD when it runs out, as ive found it to be better to use rupture, then use the energy and possible CP returned to put some extra points into SnD.

for SHS spec, you need a lot more hit and ap. 1700~ap and 25% crit minimum with at least 160 rating. you really shouldnt be raiding w/that spec but some people do. you really should go sub/combat to get DW spec and improved SnD otherwise your going to burn all your CPs just trying to keep SnD up.

for mutilate, go 41/20/0. this build should do fine w/the same stats as combat swords. make sure your daggers are up to date, use instant + deadly poison for your choices, try to keep poisons on multiple targets. you get tons of CPs with this build so SnD and Rupture will always be up helping your DPS. if stuff doesnt move around much you should do pretty decently w/this build.