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#1 May 26 2008 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
Will this do?

Or should I shift some to Shadow Embrace - did it get nerfed?
#2 May 26 2008 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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Personally, yes I would put some in Shadow Embrace. It's not the best talent ever, but it's more useful in a raid situation than max Fel Concentration I'd also try and pick up Shadowburn.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrcRfuVtcobZxx0tM

Is the way I'd set em if I wanted UA.

#3 May 27 2008 at 5:31 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah, that's not bad. Still concerned about Shadow Embrace though. I'm sure I read on here it got nerfed somehow, but I can't find the thread.

Any other thoughts anyone?
#4 May 27 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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that looks lie ka good solid build. here is the build i use for T4 affliction raiding, with my gear i put put close to 800dps on trash, and i think 850 on bosses

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrVRrkVtrobZxx0tM

i think the nerf to shadow embrace has soemthing to do with the shadow embrace effect not proccign off drain life? somethign of that sort. it is stil la viable talent, but i would not drop 3 points into it.


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#5 May 27 2008 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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There was talk around patch 2.3 or 2.4, can't remember which one, about them removeing the ability for it to proc other abilites, including Soul Siphon. They changed it however, and it does still improve Drain Life through Soul Siphon, though it won't proc other things, not too sure on what anymore. It is still worthwhile to put 1 point in there, or 5 if your a utili-lock.
#6 May 27 2008 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
That was it. Nice one, fellas.

If it procs that and still reduces damage it's worth it. 1 point would appear to be enough too, IF I felt I needed iHoT, but I view that as a PvP talent and I'm going to keep Inoperante to pure raiding from now.

So maybe 3 in it to help healers. The other raiding 'lock is demo/destro, so I do have the Aff role and any help I can provide with it.

3 in Malediction or 5 in Fel Concentration - pure raiding won't need Fel Concentration, and full Malediction will be better.

Except...I'm not the one on CoS duty. So that would be a waste. With Amp Curse I'm on CoD/CoA duty. Leaving me free to max out Shadow Embrace AND iHoT.

Thoughts?!?!

(Hard work this...)
#7 May 27 2008 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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for a utili lock def. stick 3 in it, i jsut have Ihot for doing dailies and stuff as an Oh **** button. And thanks for the clairification on shadow embrace lathais

here is a build with 3/3 male for CoS duty, but you said you arent on cos

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IiMrzRfuVtcobZxx0tM

i played around and here is a build that mgiht work for coa duty
i know that ICoa is a crap talent, but if why boost a curse you arent using instead of even a slight boost to one you are using right?


http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IiMrzRfuVtcobZxx0tM

Edited, May 27th 2008 1:20pm by Horntail
#8 May 30 2008 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Decent start. However, IMO (and I'm commenting both on the OP spec and some of the other suggested ones) :

You only need 1 pt in Shadow Embrace, its only really useful effect is to make drain life more effective.

You don't need the 2 points spent in Imp Health Stone, they're nice, but not really worth 2 talent points unless you have nowhere else to put the points when your making a demo spec. The point in shadowburn is only really for PvP and/or solo questing. Amplify curse is pretty, but not really useful in most situations. (I find the only real use for it is a curse of doom on curator =P).

Next: only 1 lock in a given raid really needs malediction. So, talk to the other locks in your guild (or the raid leaders) and find out if you really need those 3 points in there. If one or two other locks already have it, you can spend them elsewhere.

As to where to spend those points you just freed up from Amp curse, malediction, Imp HS, shadowburn, and Shadow Embrace? I would highly recommend Suppression. Granted, it doesn't help your SB spam when your not refreshing dots, but it greatly reduces the need for extra hit, and getting dot resists (and fear resists) is lame. Id rather see a SB resist than a Death Coil, Fear or even a corruption.

Here is a very solid raiding spec for someone with T4 equivalent gear. I have seen this get around 1000dps on Mag multiple times with several different raid class compositions.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IEMrVMfkVtboZxx0xM
#9 May 30 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Inoperante wrote:

3 in Malediction or 5 in Fel Concentration - pure raiding won't need Fel Concentration, and full Malediction will be better.

Except...I'm not the one on CoS duty.


If your 3/3 Malediction you should be on CoS and the demo/destro lock should be on CoE or CoR.
#10 Jun 04 2008 at 11:21 PM Rating: Good
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Imo,

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrcRftVtcooZxx0xM

is a better build for affliction ***** spec. If there's a destro lock in your raid it's extremely likely they have 2/2 healthstone, so this way your tanks/healers can grab more than one HS and you can max out your utility. You're not gonna top damage if you're tossing CoS, but you're very helpful to your raid.
#11 Jun 06 2008 at 4:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Other than reduce physical damage... what does Shadow Embrace do?

I feel like it would be worthless to have a 1% reduction in Physical Damage. My feeling, and I am totally new to this so it's but a feeling, is that if you are going to put any points into this you need to max it.

Could someone explain why I am wrong?

Edited, Jun 6th 2008 9:27am by Moonkissed
#12 Jun 06 2008 at 5:25 AM Rating: Good
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voydangel wrote:
Amplify curse is pretty, but not really useful in most situations. (I find the only real use for it is a curse of doom on curator =P).


Try it out after standing in the blue beam on netherspite...
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#13 Jun 06 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
Moonkissed - it counts as an Aff DoT for Drain Life, improving it's effectiveness. This is what I thought was nerfed, but it hasn't been.

Amp. Curse is great for any CoD I find. But especially Netherspite. :o)
#14 Jun 06 2008 at 7:31 AM Rating: Decent
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This is the Affliction build I used to roll with. Still give some goog PvP viability with Fel Concentration and IHoT, yet has all you need to be an effective raider too. Assuming you are Hit Capped. If you are not, I'd move points out of Fel Concentration or IHoT to get as many points in Suppression as you need.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrVRfkqtfoZxx0xM
#15 Jun 06 2008 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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Ok I have looked all over and the answer is probably right in front of me, but wtf is iHoT?
#16 Jun 06 2008 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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#17 Jun 06 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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/slams face against desk

I knew it was that simple...
#18 Jun 06 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Or should I shift some to Shadow Embrace

1 point in Shadow Embrace still counts (far as I can tell) as another DOT for the Nightfall proc so it's very common for solo/leveling builds.

For raiding we have at least 1 affliction lock with 5/5 SE and 3/3 Malediction as raid support. It may not seem like a lot of damage reduction, but when Gruul is smacking your MT in the face, every little bit helps. With many utility classes (affliction locks, ret pallies, mut rogues) their personal dps may suffer, but their addition to raid total dps is vital. You don't always have to make a splash on the meters to be a great help to the raid :)

So, for soloing 1 pt., for raiding discuss it with your raid/class leader.

Happy hunting!
#19 Jun 06 2008 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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1 point in Shadow Embrace still counts (far as I can tell) as another DOT for the Nightfall proc so it's very common for solo/leveling builds.


Shadow Embrace does not proc Nightfall. That may be the bug they fixed with Shadow Embrace, can't remember. Read the tooltip for nightfall, Corr and Drain Life are the only things that proc it. All it does now is count as an Affliction effect for Soul Siphon to increase the power of Drain Life, and the damage Redux of course.
#20 Jun 06 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Shadow Embrace does not proc Nightfall.

Confirmed, I stand corrected. It was a bug but seems that it's fixed. Damn!

Still worth 1 point for Soul Siphon though ;)

Thanks for the correction!
#21 Jun 06 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
Nice chat, fellas. Lathais...I'm with you all the way except I have 2 in Supp until I'm hit capped (80 off) and I'll dump the last 2 points I had no idea what to do with in Malediction for now. My GM is a 'lock and we now have a problem.

I'm Aff, have Malediction. He's Destro/Demo. Do I go CoS or do I go Amp Curse and CoD???

Either way, on bosses he's gonna go CoD, rightly...so what do I do now?!
#22 Jun 08 2008 at 4:00 AM Rating: Good
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Try it out after standing in the blue beam on netherspite...

I enjoy doing that, but it always seems to go off in phase 2 when there's no red beamed tank to save me. He really doesn't like being hit for over 10k.
#23 Jun 08 2008 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?2527258

That would be my full on aff/util build that I raid with.
#24 Jun 08 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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If you have Malediction and no other Locks in your raid do, you should always be on CoS duty.
#25 Jun 09 2008 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
atm i use this build

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IEMrboftVt0o0xcZVx0z

im the only warlock in my group. i use drain life like evry phew mobs (just after i lifetapped all my mana back), but else i spam shadow bolt. i dont have so much +crit, so it doesnt crit a lot, but it hits nice due to shadow mastery.

Edited, Jun 9th 2008 7:07am by boeba
#26 Jun 09 2008 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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boeba, that is the worst raiding build I have ever seen. Especially for straight SB Spam. If your going to Spam SB, you need Improved Shadow Bolt. However, more importantly, if your Affliction, you should put DoTs up an then Spam SB, not just spam SB.
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