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Just wondering if I am missing something, but when would you use rip over f. bite. I am level 37 (feral) and by the time i get 3or4 pts built up and enough energy to use either rip or bite, my target is around 30% health. If I use rip, my target will die long before rip is done. So I feel it is a waste of damage. Am I missing something? Also, pounce seem alot better than ravage as an opener. yes, no, or noob? Thanks
Pounce is definatly the way to start a fight in almost any situation.
As far as FB Vs. Rip, FB is fine for grinding, like you said typically trash is dead before you get anything decent out of Rip. People will argue the loss of all your energy and Bla bla bla but for level grinding it doesn't really matter.
As far as FB Vs. Rip, FB is fine for grinding, like you said typically trash is dead before you get anything decent out of Rip. People will argue the loss of all your energy and Bla bla bla but for level grinding it doesn't really matter.
Yeah the person above me is right FB for grinding/leveling and use rip in instances/raids.
Use rip if the DoT is actually going to have a chance to countdown (ie, bosses). Otherwise (ie 95% of the time), use FB.
Always use pounce when soloing (or duoing or fighting anything vulnerable to stun) as the stun is always preferable over the extra damage of ravage. Use ravage only if a 2 second stun is not wanted (I can't think of anything off the top of my head) or when an enemy is not vulnerable to stuns.
Always use pounce when soloing (or duoing or fighting anything vulnerable to stun) as the stun is always preferable over the extra damage of ravage. Use ravage only if a 2 second stun is not wanted (I can't think of anything off the top of my head) or when an enemy is not vulnerable to stuns.
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Use ravage only if a 2 second stun is not wanted (I can't think of anything off the top of my head)
The poor clothie comes to mind, sitting down for food & drink at 10% health :)
The sound... imagining the look on the player's face... so refreshing that I'm now taking any ambush opportunity with my rogue that presents itself.
You use rip when
1) the DoT will be able to do its full damage (bosses in instances/raids, some elite mobs while soloing)
2) you do not want to lose unnecessary energy (ferocious bite converts all the energy you have left into damage, meaning you have 0 energy after a ferocious bite)
3) a bit related to 1): the target has high armor (usually bosses, elites, and paladins/druids/warriors in PvP)
For now you should probably use FB, but you can also try ripping and moving on to the next target instead of waiting for your current target to die.
If you are really mowing down everything in sight, using FB as a finisher kills your current target fast, but also leaves you with 0 energy, which might be counter-productive when grinding mobs that are close together.
Pounce, especially when you have brutal impact, gives you a nice amount of time where you are hitting the target but the target isn't hitting you. This makes it the default opener for any mob you think might put up a fight.
You'll rarely want to use ravage unless you know it's gonna do massive damage, for example against caster mobs that are green to you (it really rips them apart)
1) the DoT will be able to do its full damage (bosses in instances/raids, some elite mobs while soloing)
2) you do not want to lose unnecessary energy (ferocious bite converts all the energy you have left into damage, meaning you have 0 energy after a ferocious bite)
3) a bit related to 1): the target has high armor (usually bosses, elites, and paladins/druids/warriors in PvP)
For now you should probably use FB, but you can also try ripping and moving on to the next target instead of waiting for your current target to die.
If you are really mowing down everything in sight, using FB as a finisher kills your current target fast, but also leaves you with 0 energy, which might be counter-productive when grinding mobs that are close together.
Pounce, especially when you have brutal impact, gives you a nice amount of time where you are hitting the target but the target isn't hitting you. This makes it the default opener for any mob you think might put up a fight.
You'll rarely want to use ravage unless you know it's gonna do massive damage, for example against caster mobs that are green to you (it really rips them apart)
You're low level, so I'm not going to suggest the Maim finisher instead. However, once you get that one, use it instead of Ferocious Bite. Ferocious Bite does more damage, but Maim has a controllable energy cost and it allows you to get behind the target and apply a Shred or whatever if the Maim doesn't finish it off.
I use Maim over Ferocious Bite in almost any situation. Only really use Ferocious Bite on trash in instances when I'm DPS. And in PvP on targets that are nearly dead. Nothing says ouchies like a 3k Ravage, two 1.4k Mangles and a 3k Ferocious Bite. I've had a few of those lucky crits lately. Having 34% crit rating self-buffed in PvP gear is awesome. Until you meet the guys in 400+ resilience, of course.
I use Maim over Ferocious Bite in almost any situation. Only really use Ferocious Bite on trash in instances when I'm DPS. And in PvP on targets that are nearly dead. Nothing says ouchies like a 3k Ravage, two 1.4k Mangles and a 3k Ferocious Bite. I've had a few of those lucky crits lately. Having 34% crit rating self-buffed in PvP gear is awesome. Until you meet the guys in 400+ resilience, of course.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
FB takes too much energy. I just rip and when their health is low enough that the rip will kill them, I move on to the next mob. Let them trail after me all pathetic-like til they drop dead.
Scholar
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Thanks for the replies. But now I want maim.
It's a nice little piece of work. Gouge/FB combo move. :) Always useful as a spell interrupt, too. Even 1 CP works there. Just don't forget that it also stops all Rip/Rake effects on the mob when you use it. Hitting a 5pt Rip and following it with a 1pt Maim ... bit of a waste. :)
I don't believe maim stops bleed effects. I've one-point maimed many mobs and watched them bleed to death from rip while paralyzed. Good fun.
I think while grinding it's six of one half-dozen of the other. Sometimes I rip once the mob's out of pounce stun just to do somethng with the combo points, then maul a couple of times and it's down. Even though the bleed effects didnt fully run their course they sped up it's demise. I rarely use FB now that I have maim but if a maim misses or is dodged/parried or the mob's almost dead it's still nice to watch that occasional FB crit. But for the longest time I only used FB and that was fine.
I think while grinding it's six of one half-dozen of the other. Sometimes I rip once the mob's out of pounce stun just to do somethng with the combo points, then maul a couple of times and it's down. Even though the bleed effects didnt fully run their course they sped up it's demise. I rarely use FB now that I have maim but if a maim misses or is dodged/parried or the mob's almost dead it's still nice to watch that occasional FB crit. But for the longest time I only used FB and that was fine.
Would FB followed by power-shifting be a pretty good combo for doing burst? You dump all your energy, then get a bunch back. With an energy tic timer, I would think you could really get a lot from your energy bar that way.
Sounds plausible, though I am too lazy to have ever tried it....I await the EJ analysis (or the link to the EJ analysis) as to whether this is more valuable than just rending.
ElitistJerks Powershifting thread
There you go. I'm currently using the 3 powershifting macros (one for rip, mangle & shred) along with the 3 toggle switches that turns each one on & off and it seems to be making a very nice difference (I've never bothered with powershifting before).
The thread also has links to a Powershifting Mod in development and a Druid Buff Monitor that watches mangles on your target - including mangles by other druids in the raid - sounds like it will be a must-have mod once it is ready.
Shamandin the Eccentric wrote:
Just don't forget that it also stops all Rip/Rake effects on the mob when you use it. Hitting a 5pt Rip and following it with a 1pt Maim ... bit of a waste. :)
It doesn't.
"Finishing move that causes damage and incapacitates the target. Any directly damaging attack will revive the target."
Rip (and Rake which nobody ever uses) are DoTs and can continue through the Maim :)
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