Hi,
I'm trying to decide on what class to play right now. I'm torn between warrior & rogue - I'm looking for a melee character that can hold their own and dish out the pain.
I like the look of both Warrior & Rogue, they are both melee classes, both appear to have dps spec (or be entirely? dps).. but to be honest I'm not sure which would be better suited to me & my gameplay/style. some points:
- I'd say I'm a casual gamer, like to log on for 1-2 hours a day max to play, due to work I usually don't have more time than that anyways. i like to be able to log on, do a quest, farm/grind a bit, etc.
- I'm also looking to be able to play PvE solo. I'm not in any guild, and with my hectic and sometimes crazy work-schedule I can't ever say when I'll be on so likelihood of a guild is slim... so I'd need a character than I can solo with and not have too much problems with- solo as in grab a quest or spot a mob and tackle it without worrying about parties, grouping or that it will be too hard because of the class I play
- making money isn't really that much of a problem, i have played other MMO's and know about AH's and using them to make money.. so I do have a bank alt... but i also don't have that much gold, so I'm not going to be mass leveling professions or anything like that.. LOL
- I'm probably not going to end up raiding, once again due to my work.. so I'm not really taking that into consideration, although one never knows what will happen in the future.
- PvP I will prolly try a bit of.. although probably won't be great at.. but a character that can be casual and still do ok in pvp will be nice
- I mentioned solo'ing before.. i just want a class that can do close to all solo quest's and even do group quest's solo when larger. i want to be able to quest and grind and not think "omg, I must get a group to compete!"
- Ranged is not an option.. so please no suggestions of Hunter... and yes, I realize Hunter would prolly be a lot easier than either rogue or warrior.... it's basically send pet in and autoshoot right? :P But anyways, I'm not looking for a ranged class.. so mage, hunter, lock, etc are out of the question.
- shaman is also out..it looks like it could probably solo well, but looks to be more of a buff/group orientated? class... and it looks like a luck/chance based dps looking at it's windfury ability. (as well as race limiting)
- One aspect of warrior puts me off - tanking. TBO, I find it boring to deal no damage and focus trying to keep everything focused on me. Same reason I don't play healer's.. I suck at em. Oh, and i also have fairly bad hand-eye co-ordination and timing skills, so anything that might rely on a timer/reaction-time.. and chances are I'll have problems with it.
- I like the thought of wielding a big sword or axe and crushing enemies with it. warrior's get that, rogues get to duel-wield.. which is also cool.
- how dependent on stealths is rogue? that's one aspect which doesn't appeal to me about rogues.. I'm more of a in-your-face kinda person and stealth just never works for me.. LOL
- I suck at games.. lol (and here comes the play a hunter comments? LOL) and don't want anything that will be press a when c happens, then press vhy and then wyf when s happens.. (did that make sense? LOL). I can follow skill order's and such.. thats no hassle really. ie use finisher move when have points from opener moves for rogue (or however that works.. LOL) or use 1 warrior skill followed by another.. like cleave then WW? or whatever combo like that works.. LOL..
At the moment I'm not looking for anything complicated, I just want to be able to sit down, quest, kill critters and have fun. and yes, i know "Try the classes till you decide what you want".. just thought I'd ask for people's opinion's about differences between rogue and warrior for someone like me. (casual, sucky at games but willing to learn and improve, but also not wanting a stiff-as-hell learning curve... LOL)
(and before anyone says anything, this is just a trial/temp character)
(ps, sorry if this type of discussion has been posted, I've read both Warrior and rogue forums, didn't really see anything covering this...)
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So let's get the facts straight.
1)You don't like stealth.
2)You wanna smash something with a 2-hander.
3)You want something simple.
I'd say you pretty much answered it yourself.
1)You don't like stealth.
2)You wanna smash something with a 2-hander.
3)You want something simple.
I'd say you pretty much answered it yourself.
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- One aspect of warrior puts me off - tanking. TBO, I find it boring to deal no damage and focus trying to keep everything focused on me. Same reason I don't play healer's.. I suck at em. Oh, and i also have fairly bad hand-eye co-ordination and timing skills, so anything that might rely on a timer/reaction-time.. and chances are I'll have problems with it.
- I like the thought of wielding a big sword or axe and crushing enemies with it. warrior's get that, rogues get to duel-wield.. which is also cool.
- how dependent on stealths is rogue? that's one aspect which doesn't appeal to me about rogues.. I'm more of a in-your-face kinda person and stealth just never works for me.. LOL
- I like the thought of wielding a big sword or axe and crushing enemies with it. warrior's get that, rogues get to duel-wield.. which is also cool.
- how dependent on stealths is rogue? that's one aspect which doesn't appeal to me about rogues.. I'm more of a in-your-face kinda person and stealth just never works for me.. LOL
As said above, sounds like you really DON'T want to be a rogue. I'm not sure about warriors, they probably also have some hand-eye coordination and timer-based stuff, but I'm pretty sure not as much as a Rogue.
But then you go on to say:
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- I suck at games.. lol (and here comes the play a hunter comments? LOL) and don't want anything that will be press a when c happens, then press vhy and then wyf when s happens..
And I can tell you, there isn't ANY class that doesn't depend or rely or require this in WOW.
hmm....try CounterStrike or Zelda maybe?
j/k have fun, you will, whatever your choice.
Edited, May 22nd 2008 1:50pm by Teklabz
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- I suck at games.. lol (and here comes the play a hunter comments? LOL) and don't want anything that will be press a when c happens, then press vhy and then wyf when s happens..
I recommend a hunter, or pokemon.
Um sir you have some grave misconceptions about both classes. Warriors require very accurate timings and are quite difficult to play well. Rogues also require a great deal of finess to play as well as keeping an eye on alot of different factors. You want to smash stuff and be a simple class, unfortunately wow is rather lacking in those areas. I hate to say it but WOW just doesnt sound like a very good game for your playstyles, ALL of our dps classes are very difficult to play well...
Brainstorm, PALLY, there stupid easy, whack stuff with big sticks and can solo very well as ret, Oh and dont worry you wont have to worry about getting groups very much.
Hunters also require a good deal of coordination and finesse.
Brainstorm, PALLY, there stupid easy, whack stuff with big sticks and can solo very well as ret, Oh and dont worry you wont have to worry about getting groups very much.
Hunters also require a good deal of coordination and finesse.
Laddy wrote:
Um sir you have some grave misconceptions about both classes. Warriors require very accurate timings and are quite difficult to play well. Rogues also require a great deal of finess to play as well as keeping an eye on alot of different factors. You want to smash stuff and be a simple class, unfortunately wow is rather lacking in those areas. I hate to say it but WOW just doesnt sound like a very good game for your playstyles, ALL of our dps classes are very difficult to play well...
Brainstorm, PALLY, there stupid easy, whack stuff with big sticks and can solo very well as ret, Oh and dont worry you wont have to worry about getting groups very much.
Hunters also require a good deal of coordination and finesse.
Brainstorm, PALLY, there stupid easy, whack stuff with big sticks and can solo very well as ret, Oh and dont worry you wont have to worry about getting groups very much.
Hunters also require a good deal of coordination and finesse.
Please don't listen to this. Its absolutely horrible. Hunters do NOT require finesse or coordination. They can easily get to 70 with send pet + autoshot. Learn to use one more button for arcane shot and you're fine. Rogues can simply SS + evis to 70 as combat/assassination, and warriors can slam spam a 2hander.
The only thing I will say about rogues and warriors is that they are both pretty gear dependent. I know, every class needs good gear to be better, but it is much harder lvling up a warrior with crappy gear than most other classes.
Don't get disheartened by the answers here either. Play the class you like best, or heck, play both! Playing whichever class has the most rested EXP will mean a good leveling speed when you put some time in. If you find yourself more interested in one class later on, stop playing the other and focus on the one you like.
Another thing I'd like to throw in is that rogues are a LOT better at handling adds than warriors. They have more "Iwin" buttons and more "Get out of jail free" cards. "Iwin" buttons = evasion, blade fury, and adrenaline rush.(Check out your rogue talents under the combat tree.) "Get out of jail free" cards = sprint and vanish. Doing group quests is easier if you're a rogue IMO.
If you want my honest opinion (only between warrior/rogue) I'd say you should play your rogue, go combat/assassination as per the sticky to 70(no need to stealth), keep a stack of the best health potions you can get for your level on you all the time, get two gathering professions(skinning + herb/skinning + mining), keep the gold up and keep yourself decently geared(if possible). Also, come back here if you need more help. Theo loves questions. Especially those that have already been asked.
Also, I wouldn't rule out shammy OR pally at this point. Both sound like they would kind of suit you. Yes, shammy windfury is important, but windfury is like what crits are to your rogue.... except windfury is 30% chance and you'll probably ride between 10-20% crit chance with your rogue till 70. Much less of a "roll the dice" kind of class when you actually play it.
an interesting thing about shaman, is if you gear right your windfury will almost always be on cooldown. the dps by it is pretty crazy.
but seriously rogue is up your alley. its much more soloable. you die much less. it takes a little longer than warrior to 'come into its own', around lv 20-24 it becomes MUCH better. rogue has outstanding DPS to begin with, so while you need to be consciensous about how you gear/play, you can do decently not caring. they are capable of doing really well in pvp if you want to develop it.
warrior is a lot of timing and is hard. your going to have to tank a lot of times to get instances because dps warrior needs a lot more gear to do good damage than rogue does. while it can outperform rogues if your geared and skilled, rogues will always do more damage.
anyways, not tanking will make it harder. and a lot of good gear and such comes from instances. when people want a melee DPS they are going to take a rogue over a fury warrior most of the time, unless they REALLY think they need an offtank.
anyways for pvp again (just running down your post), you can do battlegrounds anytime. those are fun and rogue can be easy to just jump into in my opinion.
but seriously rogue is up your alley. its much more soloable. you die much less. it takes a little longer than warrior to 'come into its own', around lv 20-24 it becomes MUCH better. rogue has outstanding DPS to begin with, so while you need to be consciensous about how you gear/play, you can do decently not caring. they are capable of doing really well in pvp if you want to develop it.
warrior is a lot of timing and is hard. your going to have to tank a lot of times to get instances because dps warrior needs a lot more gear to do good damage than rogue does. while it can outperform rogues if your geared and skilled, rogues will always do more damage.
anyways, not tanking will make it harder. and a lot of good gear and such comes from instances. when people want a melee DPS they are going to take a rogue over a fury warrior most of the time, unless they REALLY think they need an offtank.
anyways for pvp again (just running down your post), you can do battlegrounds anytime. those are fun and rogue can be easy to just jump into in my opinion.
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baveux & EnthalpyTheBurninator - thank you for the helpful and informative replies.
I realize about hunter's and finesse. They seem they would be easy to play - but maybe harder to actually master? But for me, if I play a pet class.. might just play Warlock.. not sure.
From the looks of it anything can do short/easy/simple? stuff to get through leveling - ie send pet in and autoshoot, SS & finisher, slam spam, etc. correct? all classes have this spamability of easy-to-use spells/atatcks/abilities?
Gear Dependant - hmm, considering the prices on the AH for decent gear... looks like I need gathering professions, some luck and some grinding to keep on top of the gear, well as long as I want to use the AH rather than rely on quest/instance gear.
Oh, I've been on the net long enough to not let the responses here let me down. I have to admit I'm surprised I got better answers on blizz' wow forums than here (well, till your 2 post's.. heh). but thats life.
I got similar feedback on blizz' forums about trying rogue and going combat, as well as the comparison's between warrior and rogue.. and the mention of paladin & shaman.
i guess one thing that puts me off both shaman and pallies, and it's a bit silly considering it will likely not effect me much, if the emphasis for the classes to go specs I don't enjoy - ie healer and/or tank. self-heal is good for solo'ing, but in other games, and from what I read for wow, they are looked at more to heal and/or tank (not shaman, they just heal and dps right?) when in groups.. not really what I'm interested in.
(lol I'm not anti-social, I do like playing with people.. I have just learned to dislike pugs in the various games I've played, and I also don't like being the lynch-pin in a group.. due to work schedule, time and general playing ability.. heh.. and healer/tank usually is the lynch-pin from my experience...)
and what your saying about warrior's & getting gear through instances and having to tank/off-tank is offputting. *shrugs*
Guess that leaves me with rogue .. or a ranged class, and I really did want to level up a melee class. Once again, thanx for the help and advise :)
I realize about hunter's and finesse. They seem they would be easy to play - but maybe harder to actually master? But for me, if I play a pet class.. might just play Warlock.. not sure.
From the looks of it anything can do short/easy/simple? stuff to get through leveling - ie send pet in and autoshoot, SS & finisher, slam spam, etc. correct? all classes have this spamability of easy-to-use spells/atatcks/abilities?
Gear Dependant - hmm, considering the prices on the AH for decent gear... looks like I need gathering professions, some luck and some grinding to keep on top of the gear, well as long as I want to use the AH rather than rely on quest/instance gear.
Oh, I've been on the net long enough to not let the responses here let me down. I have to admit I'm surprised I got better answers on blizz' wow forums than here (well, till your 2 post's.. heh). but thats life.
I got similar feedback on blizz' forums about trying rogue and going combat, as well as the comparison's between warrior and rogue.. and the mention of paladin & shaman.
i guess one thing that puts me off both shaman and pallies, and it's a bit silly considering it will likely not effect me much, if the emphasis for the classes to go specs I don't enjoy - ie healer and/or tank. self-heal is good for solo'ing, but in other games, and from what I read for wow, they are looked at more to heal and/or tank (not shaman, they just heal and dps right?) when in groups.. not really what I'm interested in.
(lol I'm not anti-social, I do like playing with people.. I have just learned to dislike pugs in the various games I've played, and I also don't like being the lynch-pin in a group.. due to work schedule, time and general playing ability.. heh.. and healer/tank usually is the lynch-pin from my experience...)
and what your saying about warrior's & getting gear through instances and having to tank/off-tank is offputting. *shrugs*
Guess that leaves me with rogue .. or a ranged class, and I really did want to level up a melee class. Once again, thanx for the help and advise :)
Just an opinion, but seems to me that every class has a solo-autopilot spec meant for casual players and leveling (spriests, BM hunters, arms warriors, ret pallies, etc..). To get to 70 doesn't necessarily take a great deal of coordination or intense concentration for any class per se. You can "get by" well enough with whichever class you prefer. Just find that soloing spec and grab a bunch of quests and off you go!
To play a class well though is another story of course.
To the OP: Between warrior and rogue I'd say rogue has wider margins for errors/problems. As noted above, Vanish, Sprint, Evasion, etc... are great for getting out of jams. And stealth cannot be over-rated for helping quickly get to quest objectives.
Happy hunting.
To play a class well though is another story of course.
To the OP: Between warrior and rogue I'd say rogue has wider margins for errors/problems. As noted above, Vanish, Sprint, Evasion, etc... are great for getting out of jams. And stealth cannot be over-rated for helping quickly get to quest objectives.
Happy hunting.
Saying that you don't like stealth in a rogue forum is a bit stupid... but i forgive you cause ur posting from aussie land! :D
Rogues are extremely fun to play, instead of killing thousand's of mobs, stealth through them all :D, in pvp, taking down cloth-wearing classes is a breeze and generally most raids/instances want a rogue because we are the top melee-dps.
You say you don't want to tank, so that means the only thing you will be doing with a warrior is dpsing.
Rogue DPS> Warrior DPS :)
Cheers, Speed
Rogues are extremely fun to play, instead of killing thousand's of mobs, stealth through them all :D, in pvp, taking down cloth-wearing classes is a breeze and generally most raids/instances want a rogue because we are the top melee-dps.
You say you don't want to tank, so that means the only thing you will be doing with a warrior is dpsing.
Rogue DPS> Warrior DPS :)
Cheers, Speed
The cool thing about playing a rogue? Nobody will ever ask you to tank or heal or even just assume that you could possibly do either one. Having both Druid and Warrior, this is actually a major thing for me. It's all about DPS when I'm playing the rogue (or being brought along for the sapping - havent quite figured that one out yet).
Don't wanna step on anybody's foot here (unlikely since it's the rogue forum) but why would I turn into a leather-wearing, dual-wielding warrior when I can do the same thing much better with a rogue?
My warrior is 2h arms/fury, and THAT is what fits my requirements for this whole "in your face" thing. I have no illusions about ever climbing up any dps charts with him, but I CAN do some pretty fast grinding and questing, and I CAN do more DPS than the healer and tank in an instance, and I CAN deliver some serious hurt when I feel like hanging out in the BGs.
Don't wanna step on anybody's foot here (unlikely since it's the rogue forum) but why would I turn into a leather-wearing, dual-wielding warrior when I can do the same thing much better with a rogue?
My warrior is 2h arms/fury, and THAT is what fits my requirements for this whole "in your face" thing. I have no illusions about ever climbing up any dps charts with him, but I CAN do some pretty fast grinding and questing, and I CAN do more DPS than the healer and tank in an instance, and I CAN deliver some serious hurt when I feel like hanging out in the BGs.
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