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I want to know what most of you think pally's are better at? Are we better healers or tanks or dps(not likely lol). I've been holy for a long time but it seems to me more and more ppl/groups want us for our tanking abilities. So what do you think we're best at currently?
skill > spec > gear
It's a somewhat ridiculous question. "Best" at what? Compared to what?
All three focuses are viable at just about any stage of the game. All three can be fun. Play what you like.
And for the record, I've run with retadins who can definitely pump out some serious DPS.
It's a somewhat ridiculous question. "Best" at what? Compared to what?
All three focuses are viable at just about any stage of the game. All three can be fun. Play what you like.
And for the record, I've run with retadins who can definitely pump out some serious DPS.
End game it really depends on where you are end game and what you plan on doing.
Raiding Holy pally, then Prot, then distant third Ret in terms of demand.
PvP depends bracket but Ret/Holy with no demand for Prot.
5 mans Prot/Holy will see equal love, ret isnt hateful but no one is screaming zomg get ret pallies in here!!!
Raiding Holy pally, then Prot, then distant third Ret in terms of demand.
PvP depends bracket but Ret/Holy with no demand for Prot.
5 mans Prot/Holy will see equal love, ret isnt hateful but no one is screaming zomg get ret pallies in here!!!
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
And even if we were to determine what Paladins are "best" at, there is the simple fact that some players can not for the life of them heal well. There are some that are just god-awful at tanking. And then there's those who play Ret ... no offense :P SOOOO, to echo the above posters, it will determine where you are at and the Paladin's own personal skill. Just because the class can do something, doesn't mean each person will do that something well.
Paladin Healer - Best mana efficient single target healing in the game. No AoE healing and no HoTs. Makes it hard when you have to be mobile, or if you have to deal with AoE damage.
Paladin Tank - Best at holding threat on large groups of mobs (i.e > 4 mobs). Warriors and Druids don't even come close. However, druids have a more health and armor. Warriors have better single target threat generation and damage mitigation.
Pally DPS - when well geared and well played, they can pump out a lot of melee damage, and give group really nice buffs. Can also off-heal when needed. However, due to no real CC, they are not very sought after (bucket with Shaman DPS and druid DPS).
Edited, May 20th 2008 9:10am by YJMark
Paladin Tank - Best at holding threat on large groups of mobs (i.e > 4 mobs). Warriors and Druids don't even come close. However, druids have a more health and armor. Warriors have better single target threat generation and damage mitigation.
Pally DPS - when well geared and well played, they can pump out a lot of melee damage, and give group really nice buffs. Can also off-heal when needed. However, due to no real CC, they are not very sought after (bucket with Shaman DPS and druid DPS).
Edited, May 20th 2008 9:10am by YJMark
Stormra wrote:
I want to know what most of you think pally's are better at? Are we better healers or tanks or dps(not likely lol). I've been holy for a long time but it seems to me more and more ppl/groups want us for our tanking abilities. So what do you think we're best at currently?
i think a pally's best role is healing. Not to say they arent good at tanking, but the strongest role is healing.
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So what do you think we're best at currently?
Surviving even when the odds are terribly against you.
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So what do you think we're best at currently?
Surviving even when the odds are terribly against you.
My first inclination was to say that again, this depends on the player's skill, but I changed my mind: any idiot can bubble hearth just fine :D
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Well not really a "ridiculous" question I just meant this in non-definitive terms or in "general". I was just curious what everyone thought we were "best" at in there own minds and experience. I wasn't asking for an in depth analysis given a certain player. For once in life as we're rarely asked to do I was asking people to generalize.
Another thing to consider is that, well at least for my server, the demand for tanks greatly exceeds the demand for healers. I've been in groups standing around for over 2 hours looking for a tank, and I think the longest I've ever looked for a healer was about 20 minutes. I think PvP might have something to do that, I'm not sure.
Anyway, I would say our strongest role in our respective fields is healing.
Anyway, I would say our strongest role in our respective fields is healing.
I did, after all, use "somewhat ridiculous". So... there! ;)
But over-simplified generalizations are often misleading and, to be honest, I don't see the point of the question. Pallies can, and do, perform in all three roles in raids. So depending on where you're "at" as a player and what your raid needs: That's what's "best."
Oh, and what's enjoyable to you. That's the bestest of all!
But over-simplified generalizations are often misleading and, to be honest, I don't see the point of the question. Pallies can, and do, perform in all three roles in raids. So depending on where you're "at" as a player and what your raid needs: That's what's "best."
Oh, and what's enjoyable to you. That's the bestest of all!
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"I did, after all, use "somewhat ridiculous". So... there! ;)
But over-simplified generalizations are often misleading and, to be honest, I don't see the point of the question. Pallies can, and do, perform in all three roles in raids. So depending on where you're "at" as a player and what your raid needs: That's what's "best."
Oh, and what's enjoyable to you. That's the bestest of all!"
Your inability to generalize is your problem. If you don't see the point then move on to the next topic or is that too generalized?
But over-simplified generalizations are often misleading and, to be honest, I don't see the point of the question. Pallies can, and do, perform in all three roles in raids. So depending on where you're "at" as a player and what your raid needs: That's what's "best."
Oh, and what's enjoyable to you. That's the bestest of all!"
Your inability to generalize is your problem. If you don't see the point then move on to the next topic or is that too generalized?
I guess you can look at it this way if you must have a vague, general, opinion:
1) Holy is pretty much fine the way it is. I at least can't think of any way to really improve it without making it OP.
2) Prot can use some tweaking. For the most part it is fine, but there are a few areas where it could improve without making it OP.
3) Ret needs work still. More then Prot, far more then Holy.
1) Holy is pretty much fine the way it is. I at least can't think of any way to really improve it without making it OP.
2) Prot can use some tweaking. For the most part it is fine, but there are a few areas where it could improve without making it OP.
3) Ret needs work still. More then Prot, far more then Holy.
Holy is our safest spec, it works well, it does its desired job and the only real thing you may want more of is some sort of HoT or an AoE heal. Prot is ok, as a healer i personally never liked healing prot pallies, i don't know why. Druids are the most survivable and the best to heal imo, warriors are just as good as bears, but prot pallies.. i dunno, my guild's prot pally is pretty darned geared but i still never liked having him maintank bosses.
Ret, by far, is the most fun spec. I raid as holy, and believe me i've seen alot as holy. I've cleared za, most of ssc/tk and now i just got my blessed adamantite bracers off rage winterchill in hyjal (didn't get my bastion of light though). And although healing in raids is fun, getting phat purplez is always a joy, but i've never had more fun than i've had when i go ret for pvp. no doubt my ret set needs work, but i've built up enough honour to get a decent set once S4 is out. Plus i'm next in line for jin'rokh, so here's hoping i get that and don't need to get the s2 sword...
so yeah, we're the best at healing, but the most fun to be had is in ret.
Ret, by far, is the most fun spec. I raid as holy, and believe me i've seen alot as holy. I've cleared za, most of ssc/tk and now i just got my blessed adamantite bracers off rage winterchill in hyjal (didn't get my bastion of light though). And although healing in raids is fun, getting phat purplez is always a joy, but i've never had more fun than i've had when i go ret for pvp. no doubt my ret set needs work, but i've built up enough honour to get a decent set once S4 is out. Plus i'm next in line for jin'rokh, so here's hoping i get that and don't need to get the s2 sword...
so yeah, we're the best at healing, but the most fun to be had is in ret.
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Holy is our safest spec, it works well, it does its desired job and the only real thing you may want more of is some sort of HoT or an AoE heal.
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I at least can't think of any way to really improve it without making it OP.
Holy paladin is nearly perfect for his role. Anything more then what it has would make other healers crappy.
Although it would be hot indeed if we had AoE or HoT
Edited, May 21st 2008 10:24am by sbrubles
Perhaps something that makes us a bit more viable for raid healing. Perhaps it's just me, but i do horribly whenever i'm made to heal the rest of the raid. Flash of light takes too long to heal up a good amount of damage on multiple people, and holy light sucks you dry if you spam it. Perhaps an instant heal that doesn't blow the way holy shock does. BUT i think they best thing ever would be to make judgement of light scale with healing. It would be a twofold benefit for pallies, melee groups would be able to heal themselves up, and ret paladins would finally have a surefire reason to get into raids. have a holy pally judge wisdom and crusader strike away.
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BUT i think they best thing ever would be to make judgement of light scale with healing.
That would be AWESOME!
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Your inability to generalize is your problem. If you don't see the point then move on to the next topic or is that too generalized?
No, I'm not trying to be a richard here, but...
Flame me all you like, but you asked for opinions and I gave you mine. All three specs can be great in different ways and in different situations. Saying one spec is generally "better" than another is just meh IMO.
My opinion is that just saying "holy is best" is misleading to people who may be looking through the forum for some info on the class. Not to mention that this view-point fuels prejudice against the other specs in the minds of players.
It's also my opinion that skill > spec > gear.
I occasionally run with a ret pally who, from time to time, gives my rogue a run for his money on the DPS meters. I've also run with a prot pally for a 35 min heroic Shat Halls. Would you then tell these guys that holy is generally "better"?
And, of course there have been many great holy pallies (two in my main raid) that are amazing.
My comments were not intended to offend. I was just putting an opinion out there for what it's worth. Sorry if you don't like my opinion. But c'est la vie; I love getting down-rated for offering solicited opinions.
Its really not a hard question to answer, i agree with the OP 100% on each of their posts.
Make a stand, being all wishy washy is the easy way out.
Make a stand, being all wishy washy is the easy way out.
Lets face it.
Raiding
Holy Pallies fill holes in raid heals. You want 2-3 per 25 man raid, depending on attendance. The buffing is solid, amazing single target healers, very survivable, very mana efficient.
Prot Pallies best multi target threat in game, not the best single target tank. Some encounters having a Prot pally along will make it cake, other encounters bringing a Prot pally is wasting a raid slot. Also one per raid
Ret. Has seen buffs and it is going to do alright dps wise, not going to beat a properly played Hunter, Rogue, Lock but you are not terribad anymore. That being said there is still a huge black sheep factor. Not to mention that every single terribad kid in the game has a gorehowl and an itch to DPS so entry level getting on ret is hard, SSC/TK is harder and by BT/Hyjal unless you have built a ret set on the side as Holy you are probably SOL cause only 1 in 100 makes the journey as ret.
PvP
Holy is meh in the smaller brackets though there is some success against War/Druid with a Pally/SL/SL lock combo but the second you see a rogue/priest you are screwed. 5's they perform better.
Prot. It just plain doesnt work, you hit like a girl, no one is going to hit you first to up your dps, and your heals aren't going to do sh'it.
Ret, good for chasing, no cc (Yo I can cleanse Repentance and stun), hits like a girl when mana burned though. Same time you have a bubble, buffs, spot heals, cleanses. So in the end there is room to take it far if you dont suck, if you do or even are half a second slow you are time and time agian going to be losing, or rocking a 1300 rating like Tommy!~
Raiding
Holy Pallies fill holes in raid heals. You want 2-3 per 25 man raid, depending on attendance. The buffing is solid, amazing single target healers, very survivable, very mana efficient.
Prot Pallies best multi target threat in game, not the best single target tank. Some encounters having a Prot pally along will make it cake, other encounters bringing a Prot pally is wasting a raid slot. Also one per raid
Ret. Has seen buffs and it is going to do alright dps wise, not going to beat a properly played Hunter, Rogue, Lock but you are not terribad anymore. That being said there is still a huge black sheep factor. Not to mention that every single terribad kid in the game has a gorehowl and an itch to DPS so entry level getting on ret is hard, SSC/TK is harder and by BT/Hyjal unless you have built a ret set on the side as Holy you are probably SOL cause only 1 in 100 makes the journey as ret.
PvP
Holy is meh in the smaller brackets though there is some success against War/Druid with a Pally/SL/SL lock combo but the second you see a rogue/priest you are screwed. 5's they perform better.
Prot. It just plain doesnt work, you hit like a girl, no one is going to hit you first to up your dps, and your heals aren't going to do sh'it.
Ret, good for chasing, no cc (Yo I can cleanse Repentance and stun), hits like a girl when mana burned though. Same time you have a bubble, buffs, spot heals, cleanses. So in the end there is room to take it far if you dont suck, if you do or even are half a second slow you are time and time agian going to be losing, or rocking a 1300 rating like Tommy!~
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