Alright, so I have been diligently upgrading my gear for the past two weeks. I was just having a chat with an officer when he asks me if I want to go to Gruul, now, TBH, I dont have great gear but it seems to me that I am not ready, but he insisted that I should go and still upgrade my gear in the meantime, and that even though I was raiding I need to skill upgrade my gear.
At this point, I think I should say a couple things:
1. I am not even Kara geared, and I thought Gruul was after Kara.
2. I'm sure they are going to tell the strats for bosses, but is there anything I need to know for trash?
3. Uh, lolwut? Is this normal?
Anyways, I'm kinda struggling between wanting to go about it normally and earn my gear, or getting dragged through Gruul. Now, I'm all sceduled for it and all, and I am happy I'm doing it, but something doesn't feel right. (I'm still pleased with it.)
PS: I linked my armory, and when I checked it didn't work, but it may now. Here are my pertenent stats(and spec), buffed only with Water Shield:
Health:6036
Mana:8183
Crit%:11.85
MP/5:106 while casting
+healing: 819
Haste:0
Spirit:189
Intellect:341
Stamina:227
Also: Here is my spec.
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Your healing is a bit low, you really want about 1000, preferably 1200. If your other healers are well geared, your raid should be able to carry you through. Kara and Gruul are both Tier 4 raids. Gruul usually comes after Kara because most people gear up in Kara and then hit Gruul, but they are both about the same level (Kara teaches you strategies which would help in Gruul).
Your armory doesn't work for me, but you can easily get 1000 healing pre-kara. Read this for gear ideas
Your armory doesn't work for me, but you can easily get 1000 healing pre-kara. Read this for gear ideas
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
That, and...
Off the top of my head: I switched from Elemental to Resto and in one night, in about 30 minutes I manged to achieve ~1000 +healing. Make your rounds at all of the rep vendors and pick up anything--mail preferably, but cloth or leather if it's not there--with intellect and +healing on it. You might have to build some rep, but you looked to be honored with most of them.
You shouldn't be wearing any of that blue PvP gear to start healing in raids. If you must wear PvP gear, it should be at least S1. And in fact, I would strongly recommend at least the S1 shoulders. Kara has better shoulders for you, but I stopped counting my kills of Curator a long time ago and I still haven't even seen them drop. Aside from that, there are better PvE-oriented blue pieces (even over the S1 gear) for sale and for drop.
More specifically: You want an LC Prayer Book from the LC Quartermaster. Get the Scarab of the Infinite Cycle from BM. If you can't get it, two LCPB's will work, but SotIC will serve you well for a long, long time.
Imo replace all the gear with +spell dam/healing with anything you can find with +healing. You can push 1k healing with a few blues and some of the prophet ah trash. The lower city prayer books will help alot too. However it may not be such a good idea if you don't think your up to it. On hkm you'll most likely be asigned to heal a specific tank and if you let him die you can wipe the raid. On gruul you can just spam chain heal and make it look like your doing something =P
moshez wrote:
On hkm you'll most likely be asigned to heal a specific tank and if you let him die you can wipe the raid. On gruul you can just spam chain heal and make it look like your doing something =P
Hopefully your raid will have better healers (I think pallys are the best single-target healers?) to focus on the tanks...shamans can focus heal, but it's kind of a waste as shamans excel at healing multiple targets.
moshez wrote:
Imo replace all the gear with +spell dam/healing with anything you can find with +healing.
This...you have 8 pieces (10 if you count the two blue pvp gear) that can be pretty easily replaced with healing gear. You should be in good shape once you do that.
Edited, May 16th 2008 9:27am by Ailitardif
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Short answer, if they asked ya to go, go and don't worry about it, maybe ya'll get lucky on some rolls or however ya do drops if not dkp, if dkp, you won't get anything but experience, which is worth something
My raiding experience on my enh shammy consisted of two kara runs when I was asked to run Hyjal, I jumped at the chance, sure I was last on the dps charts, but I brought my totums to help the rogues and dps warriors I was grouped with, which is probably what you are being used for, gogo totums...
My raiding experience on my enh shammy consisted of two kara runs when I was asked to run Hyjal, I jumped at the chance, sure I was last on the dps charts, but I brought my totums to help the rogues and dps warriors I was grouped with, which is probably what you are being used for, gogo totums...
I'd like to add too that I've noticed NONE of your gear is enchanted. That would help with some stuff (like more mana)
Also I show your mp5 while casting as only 56. Is your number buffed?
Edited, May 16th 2008 11:50am by xNocturnalSunx
Also I show your mp5 while casting as only 56. Is your number buffed?
Edited, May 16th 2008 11:50am by xNocturnalSunx
xNocturnalSunx wrote:
I'd like to add too that I've noticed NONE of your gear is enchanted. That would help with some stuff (like more mana)
Also I show your mp5 while casting as only 56. Is your number buffed?
Edited, May 16th 2008 11:50am by xNocturnalSunx
Also I show your mp5 while casting as only 56. Is your number buffed?
Edited, May 16th 2008 11:50am by xNocturnalSunx
His mp/5 is 56 without water shield which I believe a shaman can count as part of his unbuffed mp/5 b/c it is free to cast and should always be on. So add that additional 50 mp/5 and you have 106
Also I would recommend not gemming your gear with anything +spirit. Spirit is a druid/priest stat mostly and is wasted on Shamans. If you want mana regen then go for +mp/5 or just got for pure plus healing gems.
Edited, May 16th 2008 10:17am by Doctorgabel
Doctorgabel wrote:
His mp/5 is 56 without water shield which I believe a shaman can count as part of his unbuffed mp/5 b/c it is free to cast and should always be on. So add that additional 50 mp/5 and you have 106
Sorry, I know we're just splitting hairs here, but... "Unbuffed" would be his MP5 without Water Shield or Mana Spring Totem; basically, just his base amount with his gear. Add Water Shield and Mana Spring and it becomes "self-buffed". Finally, add flasks, elixers, potions, etc., and the buffs of all your other party members and you finally arrive somewhere between "buffed" and "fully raid buffed".
Carry on.
Learn something new every day! =) So is 50 mp5 the all-around mp5 given from water shield?
If so, I guess mine would be around 112
If so, I guess mine would be around 112
Ouch that is kinda low.....
My real concern would be your stam/health. 6k without buffs is kind of low especially when you will be getting hit by aoe like shatter and cave-in. I'd say 7k unbuffed health would be a minimum for gruul's for just about any class.
Try to get the healing shoulders and head from the pvp 70 blues that are available from rep vendors (if you have honored with those vendors). Also, try to complete the Nagrand nessingway quests for the Totem of the Plains (give +healing to lesser healing wave) which is infinitely better than your totem. Also putting +healing gems in the shoes will help a lot and enchants like everyone else said.
Never gem for spirit or get gear for spirit. Shamans get the least use of +spirit of just about any class. We don't have any means of continuing our mana regen while casting (aside from MP/5).
Gruul's kinda sucks for shaman healers. There's a leather healing head that drops (which goes to druids generally), a healing trinket off Gruul that I've never seen even drop, and then Tier 4 shoulders and legs (both of which are actually very very nice). There could be more, but never even seen anything else that I was remotely interested in.
He was referring to high king. There are 5 ogres and you generally have a mage tanking one, a tank on high king, a tank on another, hunters tanking another.. and a couple warlocks dealing with another. It is not uncommon to have a shaman healing tanks during this portion though I doubt they'd have one of the lower geared healers healing a tank (and if they are, you should leave the raid anyways).
Edited, May 16th 2008 3:09pm by Jiade
My real concern would be your stam/health. 6k without buffs is kind of low especially when you will be getting hit by aoe like shatter and cave-in. I'd say 7k unbuffed health would be a minimum for gruul's for just about any class.
Try to get the healing shoulders and head from the pvp 70 blues that are available from rep vendors (if you have honored with those vendors). Also, try to complete the Nagrand nessingway quests for the Totem of the Plains (give +healing to lesser healing wave) which is infinitely better than your totem. Also putting +healing gems in the shoes will help a lot and enchants like everyone else said.
Never gem for spirit or get gear for spirit. Shamans get the least use of +spirit of just about any class. We don't have any means of continuing our mana regen while casting (aside from MP/5).
Gruul's kinda sucks for shaman healers. There's a leather healing head that drops (which goes to druids generally), a healing trinket off Gruul that I've never seen even drop, and then Tier 4 shoulders and legs (both of which are actually very very nice). There could be more, but never even seen anything else that I was remotely interested in.
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Hopefully your raid will have better healers (I think pallys are the best single-target healers?) to focus on the tanks...shamans can focus heal, but it's kind of a waste as shamans excel at healing multiple targets.
He was referring to high king. There are 5 ogres and you generally have a mage tanking one, a tank on high king, a tank on another, hunters tanking another.. and a couple warlocks dealing with another. It is not uncommon to have a shaman healing tanks during this portion though I doubt they'd have one of the lower geared healers healing a tank (and if they are, you should leave the raid anyways).
Edited, May 16th 2008 3:09pm by Jiade
Jiade wrote:
Ouch that is kinda low.....
My real concern would be your stam/health. 6k without buffs is kind of low especially when you will be getting hit by aoe like shatter and cave-in. I'd say 7k unbuffed health would be a minimum for gruul's for just about any class.
My real concern would be your stam/health. 6k without buffs is kind of low especially when you will be getting hit by aoe like shatter and cave-in. I'd say 7k unbuffed health would be a minimum for gruul's for just about any class.
Thought you were talking to me at first. Was thinking, "Well I AM only level 66"... but then I realized you were talking about the OP, especially since I only have about 5444 health lol
Noc you better make a ding 70 post in the accomplishment thread soon. =)
Gaudion wrote:
Doctorgabel wrote:
His mp/5 is 56 without water shield which I believe a shaman can count as part of his unbuffed mp/5 b/c it is free to cast and should always be on. So add that additional 50 mp/5 and you have 106
Sorry, I know we're just splitting hairs here, but... "Unbuffed" would be his MP5 without Water Shield or Mana Spring Totem; basically, just his base amount with his gear. Add Water Shield and Mana Spring and it becomes "self-buffed". Finally, add flasks, elixers, potions, etc., and the buffs of all your other party members and you finally arrive somewhere between "buffed" and "fully raid buffed".
Carry on.
Well my view on this is, if mages can count their AI buff in their unbuffed stats, which I don't know of any mage that gets rid of AI in order to show his unbuffed stats, then we can count things like water shield.
I don't count totems because they can be not present depending on the group setup but water shield will always be present in raids.
Just my 2 cents.
Doctorgabel wrote:
Well my view on this is, if mages can count their AI buff in their unbuffed stats, which I don't know of any mage that gets rid of AI in order to show his unbuffed stats, then we can count things like water shield.
That's called "padding", and if every Mage you know does that, you know a lot of bad Mages too ashamed to admit their hard intellect stat. AI is a "buff", and I dare you to find me anyone who considers it otherwise. That the class comes with it is immaterial; if a Mage casts it on anyone else he has "buffed" them, and if he has AI cast on himself, then he is "self-buffed".
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I don't count totems because they can be not present depending on the group setup but water shield will always be present in raids.
If totems are not present in any and all set-ups then you know some terrible Shaman even worse than the aforementioned Mages.
Gaudion wrote:
Doctorgabel wrote:
Well my view on this is, if mages can count their AI buff in their unbuffed stats, which I don't know of any mage that gets rid of AI in order to show his unbuffed stats, then we can count things like water shield.
That's called "padding", and if every Mage you know does that, you know a lot of bad Mages too ashamed to admit their hard intellect stat. AI is a "buff", and I dare you to find me anyone who considers it otherwise. That the class comes with it is immaterial; if a Mage casts it on anyone else he has "buffed" them, and if he has AI cast on himself, then he is "self-buffed".
I remember there was a topic about this quite a while ago. I forget which specific sub-forum but it might have been the Main Wow Forum instead of one of the class ones.
You differentiate between self-buffed and unbuffed. While, yes, Arcane Intellect for all game mechanic purposes is considered a buff, that it can be dispelled or consumed or right-clicked off or can run out of its duration, a mage will always have Arcane Intellect up, unless of course, one of the aforementioned things occur.
Since all mages WILL have Arcane Intellect in ANY game environment, encompassing Leveling, Soloing, Grouping, Heroics, Raids, Battlegrounds, and Arena, there is simply no reason for a mage to talk about their Intellect value without Arcane Intellect.
The general majority of players speak of being selfbuffed as being unbuffed.
You can make the distinction between being completely unbuffed and having only buffs on that you yourself can always apply because it is part of your class, but there's no reason to refer to your stats without being self-buffed with something that should always be on (Arcane Intellect, Mark of the Wild, Power Word: Fortitude).
It's silly to think that people who always mentioned their stats self-buffed are doing it for ego trips. It's because there are few conditions in which those stats aren't there, so it's almost implied that those buffs are up when one says "unbuffed".
Gaudion wrote:
If totems are not present in any and all set-ups then you know some terrible Shaman even worse than the aforementioned Mages.
I did not mean that totems where not present at all, I meant that, depending on the group setup and fight situation, the specific totem you are using may change and you therefore cannot use that totems buff in your calculation of unbuffed stats because it is not a guarantee that it will be there with you at all times unlike water shield, which for PvE purposes has should always be up.
Raglu wrote:
The general majority of players speak of being selfbuffed as being unbuffed.
You speak for yourself, and maybe people you know; not the general majority. Perhaps it's just a matter of opinion and who you play with, so I'm not going to claim my way is the right way either, but...
I will say that as far as personal experience goes, every raiding guild I've been in and just about every gearing-up FAQ I've ever read has addressed hard stats, because it's a far simpler and more accurate measuring stick of a player's gear. Shaman, for instance, are preferable with, what... 80MP/5 to start raiding Kara? With Water Shield a Shaman can easily have 80MP/5 in entirely green gear. Hell, add Mana Spring and they can have 80MP/5 in entirely white or grey gear without a single MP/5 on it. That's why it's called "padding".
So I'll just leave you with a quick warning on the matter: If someone has asked you for your stats as a prerequisite to being invited along to do X, Y, or Z content... even if they don't specify I would recommend your answer include "... with A, B, or C buffs active" until you know which system they're operating on.
If I invited a Shaman healer along that told me he had 80-130MP/5 when his gear actually shows only a paltry 30, I would kick him without another word about it.
Edited, May 17th 2008 6:47am by Gaudion
Gaudion wrote:
Raglu wrote:
The general majority of players speak of being selfbuffed as being unbuffed.
You speak for yourself, and maybe people you know; not the general majority. Perhaps it's just a matter of opinion and who you play with, so I'm not going to claim my way is the right way either, but...
I will say that as far as personal experience goes, every raiding guild I've been in and just about every gearing-up FAQ I've ever read has addressed hard stats, because it's a far simpler and more accurate measuring stick of a player's gear. Shaman, for instance, are preferable with, what... 80MP/5 to start raiding Kara? With Water Shield a Shaman can easily have 80MP/5 in entirely green gear. Hell, add Mana Spring and they can have 80MP/5 in entirely white or grey gear without a single MP/5 on it. That's why it's called "padding".
So I'll just leave you with a quick warning on the matter: If someone has asked you for your stats as a prerequisite to being invited along to do X, Y, or Z content... even if they don't specify I would recommend your answer include "... with A, B, or C buffs active" until you know which system they're operating on.
If I invited a Shaman healer along that told me he had 80-130MP/5 when his gear actually shows only a paltry 30, I would kick him without another word about it.
Edited, May 17th 2008 6:47am by Gaudion
Since I don't have the link to the thread nor a premium account to search the forums with, I can't contest against you. But the whole thing would be something silly for me to argue about, no new information can be gleaned from discussing it.
You're definitely correct, though, that it's best to answer, "I've X intellect with AI up," rather than "I've X intellect" in most situations.
It's not really about being right or wrong... It's just always better to err on the side of caution. Better to come off as under-geared than a liar.
Draeneipally wrote:
Noc you better make a ding 70 post in the accomplishment thread soon. =)
I'm getting there, I'm getting there. Up to 68 right now with a few bars in. It hasn't been terribly hard getting resto gear for when I change since it seems a lot of it can also be used for elemental (unless I go full +healing stuff without +spell dmg). I think right now, if I remember right, my bonus heals are up to about 759 unbuffed. Which I'm not sure if it's good or not for my level (I'll let you guys decide).
Anywho, back to the OT. =D
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