Hey everyone...why didn't you all tell me rogues were so much fun. I've been class jumping for ages now and have got no where. Currently I am level 11 and going the combat swords rout for leveling. Using a crap sword and the quest dagger right now. God rogues are fun. Never have I said that about any class and stuck with it. My question is I'm following the build that is in the faq for combat sword soloing. Before I make any mistakes is that the best way to level. Just need some advice. First 5 point's I'm puting into malice for imp crit. After that I have no clue.
Looking at demea's combat sword build which is 19/42/0 just wanna know if its worth it. Most are telling me to put 10 points into sub for imp stealth and movement speed while stealthed. Don't know. I'll leave it to you my fellow Roguenights. Thanks
Wanted to add at what levels would those talents be good to put points into or does it really matter?
Edited, May 14th 2008 10:24pm by Souliken
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Check out my rogue on Uldaman, his names Eternal (links in my signature), just get those talents from 10-50 then hit up the asassination tree.
Only thing I might suggest for leveling would be riposte.
It's a low energy cost hit that can save you some damage and can crit pretty hard if you have a slow enough weapon.
It's a low energy cost hit that can save you some damage and can crit pretty hard if you have a slow enough weapon.
Souliken wrote:
Most are telling me to put 10 points into sub for imp stealth and movement speed while stealthed.
Tell them to STFU.
MentalFrog wrote:
Souliken wrote:
Souliken wrote:
Most are telling me to put 10 points into sub for imp stealth and movement speed while stealthed.
Most are telling me to put 10 points into sub for imp stealth and movement speed while stealthed.
Tell them to STFU.
Agreed. If you practice a bit, you don't need these points.
I started with Malice then Lightning Reflexes and improved SS. Both are very nice for soloing. Up the combat tree from there. Be sure to get Precision as well. Reposte was occasionally useful but I don't know that I'd talent into it if I leveled again. Personal choice really.
And in the end, there are no "mistakes" in talents. You can always respec if something doesn't work out.
Happy hunting
No I'm not going reposte. Right now....i'm level 13 and got 2 pnts into SS and one into lightning reflexes. After that I'll fill up malice. But as it stands I crit very well with the gear I have. +att pwr +agi +stam is what i'm shooting for. Tell me is Slice and dice good to use in a combo like SS,S&D,SS,EV! or what. Makes me attack faster yes but miss more...unless thats on me. Using Sword in main and Dagger in off for speed. Thanks for the imput guys. Cause of you I am were I am. Pat yourselves on the back. As a studying chef I'd cook ya all dinner...one that would knock your socks off! :D You rock!
Open from stealth, SnD, SS-SS, Finisher, Profit.
I suggest Malice earlier than Lightning Reflexes because mobs at those levels are tuned to have lower hit ratings than the ones in the late teens and twenties. Ergo, higher damage (from crit) means faster kills and more xp/hour.
SnD doesn't change your chance to hit, only your haste rating. You're still hitting the same percentage. You're just doing both (hits and misses) more per second.
Going daggers early is fine in either hand until you get weapon-independent attacks. Once you leave Ambush and Backstab behind that is.
Highest average damage in main-hand, fastest speed in off-hand.
Read the stickies and follow the links (especially Elitist Jerks).
Oh, and did you really put "hizzouse" in the title..... wow.... ;P
I suggest Malice earlier than Lightning Reflexes because mobs at those levels are tuned to have lower hit ratings than the ones in the late teens and twenties. Ergo, higher damage (from crit) means faster kills and more xp/hour.
SnD doesn't change your chance to hit, only your haste rating. You're still hitting the same percentage. You're just doing both (hits and misses) more per second.
Going daggers early is fine in either hand until you get weapon-independent attacks. Once you leave Ambush and Backstab behind that is.
Highest average damage in main-hand, fastest speed in off-hand.
Read the stickies and follow the links (especially Elitist Jerks).
Oh, and did you really put "hizzouse" in the title..... wow.... ;P
Yes, you miss more, but miss % is still the same...
Remember the guy who said he didn't like fast OH because it missed more often?
Remember the guy who said he didn't like fast OH because it missed more often?
Lightning reflexes is crap.
Malice should be your first priority in the beginning levels.
Malice should be your first priority in the beginning levels.
Actually your first 2 points should go into Imp Sinister Strike.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Actually your first 2 points should go into Imp Sinister Strike.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Yeah, this.
And for leveling, Imp Gouge > LR. For raiding, LR > Imp Gouge.
Dodging a WW is priceless.
#12REDACTED,
Posted: May 15 2008 at 9:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well *****...already respecced changing the first 3 points into malice to imp ev...and then one point into LR. Maybe i'll leave it alone and concentrate on malice..cause with 3 points into malice my crit was like 15% or more. Was insane. But was reading osiris's leveling guide and was following it...=( did i F&%# my rogue or what!
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Actually your first 2 points should go into Imp Sinister Strike.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Yeah, this.
And for leveling, Imp Gouge > LR. For raiding, LR > Imp Gouge.
Dodging a WW is priceless.
OMG I just wet myself.
Theo agreed with something I said about rogues...
I'm gonna go....uhhh....do something now...
Souliken wrote:
Well *****...already respecced changing the first 3 points into malice to imp ev...and then one point into LR. Maybe i'll leave it alone and concentrate on malice..cause with 3 points into malice my crit was like 15% or more. Was insane. But was reading osiris's leveling guide and was following it...=( did i F&%# my rogue or what!
TherionSaysWhat wrote:
And in the end, there are no "mistakes" in talents. You can always respec if something doesn't work out.
Learn to read.
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Actually your first 2 points should go into Imp Sinister Strike.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Yeah, this.
And for leveling, Imp Gouge > LR. For raiding, LR > Imp Gouge.
Dodging a WW is priceless.
OMG I just wet myself.
Theo agreed with something I said about rogues...
I'm gonna go....uhhh....do something now...
It's that big of a deal for me to agree with someone?
You're a theorycraft rockstar theo. It's like those people who get all OMG I'M NEVER WASHING THIS SHIRT AGAIN when Justin Timberlake brushes up against them. :P
Improved SS is definitely awesome, but I don't remember running out of energy at those levels without the talent. Energy was more an issue after I got poisons, so 21+. Mobs in that level range just died too quickly for energy to be a real issue from what I remember. Malice seemed to speed up my damage output just fine at the time. I went, in order, Malice (5), Imp SS (2), LR (3), Precision (5), Imp. SnD (3)... and on.
NOTE: Having not respec'ed and compared the two options at the time, I have no proof of which is more efficient or which is higher dps output. My suggestions were only from my personal experience and from what I remember.. and that was a while back after all. So, pinch of salt. ;P
NOTE: Having not respec'ed and compared the two options at the time, I have no proof of which is more efficient or which is higher dps output. My suggestions were only from my personal experience and from what I remember.. and that was a while back after all. So, pinch of salt. ;P
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Actually your first 2 points should go into Imp Sinister Strike.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Lowering the energy cost of that ability to 40 completely changes combat cycles.
After that I would agree to put 5 points into Malice.
When you hit level 30, you should respec all of your points into combat tree to pick up Blade Flurry, then put your next 5 again into Malice.
At level 40 respec all your points into combat tree again to get Adrenaline Rush, then put your next 5 points into Malice.
At this point you can just continue down either the assassination tree or combat tree getting all the points you want from there, then fill out your spec so it is the way you want it to be at level 70.
You really should be able to go from 1-70 with just 2 respecs, costing a total of 6g.
Yeah, this.
And for leveling, Imp Gouge > LR. For raiding, LR > Imp Gouge.
Dodging a WW is priceless.
OMG I just wet myself.
Theo agreed with something I said about rogues...
I'm gonna go....uhhh....do something now...
It's that big of a deal for me to agree with someone?
You have a tendency to agree with people in a disagreeable way.
Someone will be 95% right about something, you'll give them credit for the 95%, then find some way to make them feel like a 2nd grader in a calculus class about the other 5%.
It's very rare for you to just say "he/she is right, I have nothing to add about what they specifically were talking about".
Granted you did say something about LR vs Imp Gouge, but I didn't say anything about that, so I'm just amazed you didn't find something wrong with my assessment.
Norellicus wrote:
You're a theorycraft rockstar theo. It's like those people who get all OMG I'M NEVER WASHING THIS SHIRT AGAIN when Justin Timberlake brushes up against them. :P
Well, I know what my new sig/20k title is gonna be.
#20REDACTED,
Posted: May 16 2008 at 12:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So basicly 2 in imp ss, then go malice and back to combat tell what 40 or 50 then go back to ***.?
Souliken wrote:
So basicly 2 in imp ss, then go malice and back to combat tell what 40 or 50 then go back to ***.?
Please, I know you're probably mentally retarded, but read the posts in this thread fully.
Your question has been answered already, and verified by me.
#22REDACTED,
Posted: May 16 2008 at 5:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have read it and if I could have deleted that post I would have. One I'm not mentally retarted and its found rude to even think that about someone. I appolagise I'm not as smart as you. But don't talk your ***** for me wanting to be the best I can be at my class. I have a family member that was in a car accident and is now mentally handicapped sir.
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Please, I know you're probably mentally retarded, but read the posts in this thread fully.
Your question has been answered already, and verified by me.
Your question has been answered already, and verified by me.
XD, so harsh <3 theo
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