Ok, well i have a level 44 Prot Paladin. I just picked him back up yesterday and already went back to tanking(love Aoe tanking). My problem is that Consecration just isnt getting enough threat to keep aggro effectively. I use Ret aura, and Blessing of Sanctuary, and keep holy shield up. But I still seem to lose aggro when i pull 4+ mobs. Is it just natural at my level to have these problems? Should i find armor with more +spell damage on it. I have a Rogue i could put the spellstrike(name?) armor kits on some BoE greens and mail em to pala. Would that help? Please any advice is helpful.
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are you losing the adds, or are you losing the main DPS target?
If the adds, where are they going? onto DPS? if so your DPSers need to focus on the target you are hitting up with SoR/JoR. If the healer, you need to soften up the pulls you are taking, because you require more healing than threat you are able to produce. A sign you should CC.
If the main target is running, to DPS you need to either work on your rotation, or have your DPS wait an extra second. For starters, dont start with any judgement other than JoR. Not sure what you do, but that might be a problem.
If the adds, where are they going? onto DPS? if so your DPSers need to focus on the target you are hitting up with SoR/JoR. If the healer, you need to soften up the pulls you are taking, because you require more healing than threat you are able to produce. A sign you should CC.
If the main target is running, to DPS you need to either work on your rotation, or have your DPS wait an extra second. For starters, dont start with any judgement other than JoR. Not sure what you do, but that might be a problem.
Yes to all of the above.
No to picking up spell damage equipment. You're only level 44. Until you hit Outland instances, you are capable of building a psychotic threat lead over anyone. They have Salvation on eh? Either way, there's no need nor desire for spell damage gear at that level.
No to picking up spell damage equipment. You're only level 44. Until you hit Outland instances, you are capable of building a psychotic threat lead over anyone. They have Salvation on eh? Either way, there's no need nor desire for spell damage gear at that level.
I'm keeping main target. I'm losing 1-2 adds, on usually the DPS. I know it might be their problem but every now and then ill get blamed. I don't JoR or even use SoR anymore. I JoW, and SoW while tanking. It gives me alot more mana for Consecrations plus lets me go an extra 5-6 pulls before needing to rest. Keeping holy shield, blessing of sanctuary and ret aura on are more then enough to keep hate on my main target. It's just the adds i can't keep them all the time. I put an armory link in my original post. Maybe check that out and tell me if maybe i need some gear upgrades or anything. Losie says no to getting +spell damage stuff. And that was really the only thing i could think of that might solve my problem.
DPS shouldnt be on adds, therefor there is nobody to blame but your sh*tty *** DPSers.
all in all, i wouldnt worry too much about it at that level...
consecration+reflective damage wont cut it on an add if a DPSer is focusing on it instead of the main target.
try using raid markers and make it clear what the kill order is. i go skull then X. after skull dies and DPS moves to X, i remark skull. then remark X, etc etc. shouldnt need any CC, just a kill order.
Edited, May 12th 2008 2:33pm by KTurner
all in all, i wouldnt worry too much about it at that level...
consecration+reflective damage wont cut it on an add if a DPSer is focusing on it instead of the main target.
try using raid markers and make it clear what the kill order is. i go skull then X. after skull dies and DPS moves to X, i remark skull. then remark X, etc etc. shouldnt need any CC, just a kill order.
Edited, May 12th 2008 2:33pm by KTurner
heh sad part is i do mark. Skull -> X -> Diamond -> repeat cycle. But its good to hear that it isnt my fault if im losing adds to dps. I was ready to spend a few hundred gold to fix to problem. >.<. Thanks KT
And dont worry if a level 45 rogue blames you for his stupidity.. If he makes it to 70 (where you really become part of the community and your reputation really starts to matter) he'll hopefully have learned his ways.
If not.. the people who REALLY know will be able to tell who's fault it is just by being there and seeing it. And they're the only people who matter (besides yourself of course :D)
If not.. the people who REALLY know will be able to tell who's fault it is just by being there and seeing it. And they're the only people who matter (besides yourself of course :D)
Just tell them "you pull it, you tank it." If they aren't bright enough to dps the focus then they deserve to die.
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I don't JoR or even use SoR anymore. I JoW, and SoW while tanking.
You can hold aggro on the main target without using JoR or SoR? Is that normally the case at lvl 70? I'm not a tank, which is why I'm asking. I am starting to put a tank set together, and want to give it a shot.
I was always under the impression that you need to start with a JoR and SoR on the main target to build initial aggro. Then, you can switch out to JoW and SoW. If that isn't the case...then sweet!!!
Not at 70, no. When you have 24 other people breathing down your neck on the threat meters, JoR will become your primary threat burst. You won't need to SoW and JoW either, with the amount of heals you'll be getting in raids, mana will be no problem at all, what with spiritual attunement. Instances are a different story, but i always preferred tanks that had great threat to tanks that drink less often. When i run heroics with my guild main tank and dpsers we usually never take longer than 40 minutes to complete, but then again the tank is a bear...
If you can keep aggro on your initial target without sealing/judging Righteousness, your DPS need to open up a bit more. That being said, I watch mana and threat, and will often switch to Wisdom later in a fight on a bigger pull (where we're on secondary targets that have been attacking my Holy Porcupine for a while).
At level 44, your DPS just have to give you a few seconds to cement aggro, and then attack the right target.
At level 44, your DPS just have to give you a few seconds to cement aggro, and then attack the right target.
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I don't JoR or even use SoR anymore. I JoW, and SoW while tanking.
You can hold aggro on the main target without using JoR or SoR?
Sure! you can hold plenty of aggro on the main target that way if your DPS is too dumb to assist you! :D
But seriously, at 70 i would open with JoR no matter what on trash and never use other seals. the mana return for the time to kill is not worth it.
On bosses i would open with AS>JoR>SoR till CD was up, SoW>JoW>SoV>WINGS!!1>JoV and just run Vengeance. the threat rolls in off that.
whew - thanks all for the responses. I'm 4 pieces of gear short for my respec (thank you for guide Losie). At least it sound like my spell rotation will be ok. :) I'm really psyched to try it out.
Thanks :D
And yea.. like they said, you'll need SoR @ 70.
The reason it works at 44 is because up until level 60 or so, a Paladin tank is capable of generating more threat than ANY relatively equal levelled DPS can put out (even if outgeared.. gear isnt a big deal at all until about 60, and even then everyone is made into a generic mold) in most situation. We really are the undisputed gods of threat generation during the levelling game. Even with Mages counterspelling and Rogues going ape@#)* it's tough to lose the main target.
And yea.. like they said, you'll need SoR @ 70.
The reason it works at 44 is because up until level 60 or so, a Paladin tank is capable of generating more threat than ANY relatively equal levelled DPS can put out (even if outgeared.. gear isnt a big deal at all until about 60, and even then everyone is made into a generic mold) in most situation. We really are the undisputed gods of threat generation during the levelling game. Even with Mages counterspelling and Rogues going ape@#)* it's tough to lose the main target.
Well for let me clerify a little bit. I do use SoW and JoW most the time in instances, but i am only 44. And i pop a SoR/JoR off if i lose an add. I havent had any problems with losing my main target as of yet. I understand it will change once i get higher level...and so will me tanking strategy.
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