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#1 May 10 2008 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
Fire Mage lvl 60 needing advice...

When not levelling up, I do mostly BGs and I have a problem figthing hunters one on one... I have tried letting the pet come to me, then Blink forward, then try to pin both down, but the timing and the distances have to be so precise that it seems to be run on luck....and even when that works it is still difficult to finish then both off before dying...

Am I missing something obvious here regarding tactics ??

Also I have noticed that very often hunters show to be the most efficient on the final tally of a BG game...is the Hunter favored in PvP ??

thanks for help

W.
#2 May 10 2008 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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As a fire mage you WILL be owned by a hunter every time. Especially if they decide to turn their pet into Clifford and go at you.

My advice is:
Pray they're AFK.
#3 May 10 2008 at 11:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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wamozart wrote:
Also I have noticed that very often hunters show to be the most efficient on the final tally of a BG game...is the Hunter favored in PvP ??


The scoreboard will show hunters pretty high up, but that is just how their class plays. The board itself is not to really be considered as a good indicator of PvP viability/skill because there are many many things that can affect the outcome that have nothing to do with the class.

All classes are relatively well balanced, but not in 1v1 fights. You will likely almost always lose to hunters. They will likely lose very often to another class(though I can't for the life of me tell you which one).

#4 May 11 2008 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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If you want to get to the top of that dmg board in a BG, just arcane explosin spam anything if theres a couple of horde around. :o
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or focus fire and increase your chances of winning the BG.
but its all about lookin good right?
#5 May 11 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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CalenciaBlue wrote:
If you want to get to the top of that dmg board in a BG, just arcane explosin spam anything if theres a couple of horde around. :o
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or focus fire and increase your chances of winning the BG.
but its all about lookin good right?


I arcane explosion a lot because I can do that while jumping around like an idiot.

Which is fun.
#6 May 11 2008 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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CalenciaBlue wrote:
If you want to get to the top of that dmg board in a BG, just arcane explosin spam anything if theres a couple of horde around. :o
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or focus fire and increase your chances of winning the BG.
but its all about lookin good right?


One of the best (I feel) tactics a mage can use in EotS is to ride into the middle where the flag is and spam all their instant AoEs to delay the enemy grabbing the flag as long as possible.

Edited, May 11th 2008 5:10pm by Raglu
#7 May 11 2008 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly in AV it's relatively easy for a fire mage to top the KBs given how easy it is to get well positioned and just rain scorches down on people at long range.
#8 May 11 2008 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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honestly a mage is good vs very few classes solo. If you know how to beat us - you can easily do it. We are mana dependant and have no defense - thus - outlast our mana and you win... (Unless you're considering POTs which is a lot of $$$)

Really a good mage is a mage with a buddy. Find a Paly or Druid if you can. They tank an heal... If not get a tank or healer. If you can't do that - Get a DPS that will keep them busy.

A good mage is a smart mage. That's why mage is so hard to play. I've been lvling a paly - I can damn near drink a 12 pack, agro the world and heck - I'll just bubble and heal myself - it's cool.

Mage is tough. We have no tank (Locks/Hunters) We have no armor (everyone other than Locks and Priests). We have no heals (Priests/Paly/Druids/Sham - you get the idea.)

We are rogues with the lack of (Even) the benefit of LEATHER armor.
#9REDACTED, Posted: May 12 2008 at 12:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "We are rogues with the lack of (Even) the benefit of LEATHER armor."
#10 May 12 2008 at 8:10 AM Rating: Excellent
dorogodess wrote:
"We are rogues with the lack of (Even) the benefit of LEATHER armor."
xe xe no you not..they do better dps,better killing cc(not moving) and have more survability.

I am wondering if you cant win a hunter with locks and rogues what will you do?
After of the removal of dead zone, more and more mages whine about hunters..But i will say it again.

An average hunter will win an average mage..BUT an skilled mage dont have nothing to fear...


Edited, May 12th 2008 4:43am by dorogodess


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Yeah, OK mate.

Whatever you say.

Edited, May 12th 2008 12:10pm by Kavekk
#11 May 12 2008 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Your best chance against a hunter -- and it is only a chance, whoever thinks a mage can easily take a hunter is a poser -- is to charge said hunter. Blazing speed helps if you're fire. Keep him close because his damage in melee, while enough to hurt a mage, isn't nearly as lethal as at range. Use only your instants -- DB, BW, and good ol AE, plus fireblast whenever it's up. If you try to cast anything the pushback from his shots and pet will double the cast time, and he can always feign death while you're casting, which means you will lose him as a target and start all over.

If he goes big red, you now have to do the opposite -- run away, especially from his pet. When the cat (it's always a cat, isnt it?) is almost on you, iceblock. TBW is 18 secs, IB is 12 secs. If you can outlast TBW, you will probably be able to kill the hunter by snaring him, standing on top of him and aeing him to death.

Someone told me aimed shot can be counterspelled but I'll believe it when I see it. And hunters are almost always on the top of BGs because they thrive amidst the chaos of BGs. In smaller scale combat, when people can focus on them from the start, they are easy (easier?) kills for non-cloth classes.
#12 May 12 2008 at 11:04 PM Rating: Default
i aggree with tuskertu.
stay close to him and use instants to bring him down.
if iceblock is rdy, there is nothing to fear (big red = useless).

i have it a bit easier because i play a frostmage, but i tried fire, its a bit difficulter, but it works pretty well too.
#13 May 13 2008 at 7:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, OK mate.

Whatever you say.


Hahah - Thanks!

I can't stand when I/We have an honest gripe about our PVP and someone tells us that if we were the Ubber-awesomeness of PVP we'd be fine.

An average hunter can beat a good mage. It's a fact. Same goes for an average Lock.

Then again - the average mage should beat a good War...

But don't give me this BS that "If you knew how to play the class, you'd be able to UBER PWN Huntards cauz we be All dat!"


That's freaking retarded! Hunters and Locks are the Anti-Mage. Beating them involves 3 things - 1. Being simply better (Gear, Skill, or computer/lag) 2. Jumping them (aka - not a fair fight - you get them fast and hard before they know what hit them) or 3. Having a buddy (aka - Attack them with a healer to keep you alive or a tank to take your Damage.)




I can't stand the elite "I'm the God of 'Class' and you should do it like I do crap."
#14REDACTED, Posted: May 14 2008 at 3:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) A mage can win against a hunter or SL-Lock!
#15 May 14 2008 at 4:10 AM Rating: Default
Just wondering why the over 2200 rating mages never whine about hunters.only for rogues and sl-locks?And as far as-locks they whine about their pet...

And why all the 1200-1800 rating mages whine only about hunters.Especially BM hunters.Ok the "win button" is a pain.I know it.But when is over bm hunters dont have nothing more.So when you are talking about pvp(=arena.BGs and not duels) you should considered that you have to survive for this 18 sec.NOT HARD AT ALL!
Especially if you are frost mage.Or as allways you can use LOS.Not hard at all either.
So an average hunter is the anti-class of an average mage.But a skilled mage as said before has nothing to fear.And nothing to fear doesn mean easy win.Just a skil,gear,luck fight.
#16 May 14 2008 at 4:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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dorogodess wrote:
Just wondering why the over 2200 rating mages never whine about hunters.


Probably because they don't whine. I rarely hear whining from ANYONE over 2200 rating.
#17REDACTED, Posted: May 14 2008 at 4:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They whine less true.But still some QQ you also find it in their forums.Especially from hunters..:)..We whine for everything..
#18 May 14 2008 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
Meh, all the 2.2k rated mages I know (3, and others I hear qqing on gameriot) agree that hunters counter mages hard in duels and especially in arena.
#19 May 14 2008 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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Whenever I dueled a hunter and they put up BW, I just used IB. In a sense, they wasted their one trick to kill me. I actually had more problems verses MM hunters due to silencing shot. Hunters are not hard, they are just given too much rep and thus overly feared.
#20 May 14 2008 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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I have never met a hunter who didnt give me some problem on my fire mage. And I've met, and killed, a ton of really bad hunters (as has everyone in this game). The good ones often win. Mages are at an inherent disadvantage against hunters, almost as bad as against a SL Lock w puppy. Yes, we can beat them. No, you don't just curl up and whimper when they show, fight like a man (or a woman or a zombie or whatever). But no one should kid themselves, you need a lot of skill and sometimes luck to win.

It's the same with hunters vs. warriors -- an avg warrior can take down a good hunter. And we know what mages do to warriors. Rock, paper....

Edit: Just saw someone said an avg mage cant beat a good warrior? C'mon. The warrior needs to far outgear the mage and/or be a topline player to beat a mage in a fair fight. I still remember watching a good 69 twink warrior (they exist) chase a 60 frost mage who was kiting him all the way from farm to stables. The warrior finally did the little guy in, but it took something like 5 minutes.

Or let me put it this way: I dont think I've ever lost to a warrior in a straight fight. Ever. And I am an average mage (keyboard turner, clicker). Is every single warrior I bbqed teh suck? Doubt it. I just have a huge advantage against them.

The reason I harp on this is that people like the OP come to the forum looking for guidance against a class in PvP. I don't think we should be minimizing the enormous advantages some classes have against others, especially for people starting out. Someone running WSG for the first time shouldn't be telling himself "If only I was a good mage I could have taken down those hunters. I have to practice more, it's my fault."

Edited, May 14th 2008 1:05pm by tuskerdu
#21 May 14 2008 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Just wondering why the over 2200 rating mages never whine about hunters.only for rogues and sl-locks?


Learn 2 Statistics, this is a stupidly easy question to answer.

How many mages are over 2200 rating vs total number of mages? Yeah, that's why you don't hear the QQing, because if they are, they're just yet another QQ in the huge pool of lesser skilled / geared QQing.

But yeah, Huntards vs Mage == pain train :(

#22 May 27 2008 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I know this is off topic from the original post, but i wanted to chime in on the mage vs warrior topic in here. Hunters, Locks, i run away from in a BG. But warriors, i chase them bad boys down! For me personally, the warrior class is the easiest to kill if they don't get the jump on me, i usually go hunting them down in a battleground :) unless they have a healer behind them, then i'm just a dead clothie :(
#23 May 27 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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riprunner wrote:
As a fire mage you WILL be owned by a hunter every time. Especially if they decide to turn their pet into Clifford and go at you.


Not true, and I find killing most hunters easier as a fire mage or Arcane/fire mage easier then as a frost mage. Don't get me wrong hunters are a tough class to PvP especially since their "dead zone" disappeared (just outside of melee but too close for range weapons). The key is to always stay close and use your instants effectively. For example when you use Dragons Breath make sure it hits the pet too firs of all, follow it with a free scorch, into a blastwave, followed by a fire blast. For me that is about 7-8k damage. If the hunter and pet turn red, ice block through it. After The Beast Within wears off the hunter really doesn't have a whole lot to be afraid of. It is the MM hunters that are worse, and with them it is just hat much more important to stay in melee range.
#24 May 27 2008 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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ocyen wrote:
For example when you use Dragons Breath make sure it hits the pet too firs of all, follow it with a free scorch, into a blastwave, followed by a fire blast. For me that is about 7-8k damage.


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Those 4 spells should get you 7-8K damage on a single target?

How much does each hit for you? My scorches do not hit for 2000.
#25REDACTED, Posted: May 28 2008 at 8:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) when hunter turns on their spell called "Clifford" then u just iceblock...as simple as that...then u controll the game because hunter just wasted his/her best skill(well i dont know if it is the best or not....)
#26 May 28 2008 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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matukaz wrote:
when hunter turns on their spell called "Clifford" then u just iceblock...as simple as that...then u controll the game because hunter just wasted his/her best skill(well i dont know if it is the best or not....)


Not really. A pet and ranged weapon means constant spell pushback, so instant casts and Scorches are pretty much what you're limited to. You can use Ice Barrier, but Arcane Shot dispels it fairly often. Icy Veins seems nice in theory to me since it stops spell pushback as well, but I believe that Arcane Shot can dispel that as well.
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