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#27 May 17 2008 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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Still not showing up for me.


What's his...


Intellect
Spirit
Out-of-casting Mana Regen
While-casting Mana Regen



Are any of his slots are now gemmed with Int gems instead of spell damage?
Or even Spirit/Something hybrid gems?
#28 May 18 2008 at 12:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Raglu wrote:
Still not showing up for me.


What's his...


Intellect
Spirit
Out-of-casting Mana Regen
While-casting Mana Regen



Are any of his slots are now gemmed with Int gems instead of spell damage?
Or even Spirit/Something hybrid gems?


Intellect=616
Spirit=280
Out-of-casting Mana Regen=324
In-casting Mana Regen=97
All his gems are either damage or crit.
#29 May 19 2008 at 4:48 AM Rating: Good
Heres an armory to the most reknown arcane mage that a mentioned above. If you're in t6 content this will give you some ideas.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Chromaggus&n=Fireangel

If you're in SSC/TK content and want to try it out heres my armory with the spec I use.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Andorhal&n=Magenslayer

Note that as I mentioned above, 40/0/21 isn't ideal until Hyjal and I therefore am 50/0/11 using ABxN AM+Scorch (N being a verying amount depending on boss hp, your mana pool).

Gemming has been heavily discussed on the WoW forums lately. FA is convinced that +damage and +damage/crit gems. Other players are going for 10 int in yellow sockets only. It's a matter of opinion. If you are having mana trouble, chances are you should add some int gems. It adds spell damage, crit, mana and mp5, not too bad I'd say.
#30 May 19 2008 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Twirdman wrote:

Intellect=616
Spirit=280
Out-of-casting Mana Regen=324
In-casting Mana Regen=97
All his gems are either damage or crit.


With Mage armor, that'd be 194 MP5. Clearcasting too would help with mana too.

What this, and the above post, are telling me is that 40/0/21 and other AB-spam specs simply need raid support for mana management, be it a Shadow Priest, Mana Spring, or Judgement of Wisdom. 1.5-second casts of 600+ mana don't seem like long casting when compared to 10K mana and 200 MP5.

Of course, I am not including the MP5 from chainchugging Mana Pots, applying Mana Gems, having an Alchemist's Stone, and using Evocation.
#31 May 19 2008 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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With Mage armor, that'd be 194 MP5. Clearcasting too would help with mana too.

What this, and the above post, are telling me is that 40/0/21 and other AB-spam specs simply need raid support for mana management, be it a Shadow Priest, Mana Spring, or Judgement of Wisdom. 1.5-second casts of 600+ mana don't seem like long casting when compared to 10K mana and 200 MP5.

Of course, I am not including the MP5 from chainchugging Mana Pots, applying Mana Gems, having an Alchemist's Stone, and using Evocation.


One thing to figure in is raid buffs. If you look at my armory right now I have something like 350 mp5 outside of casting, 210 while casting. It's amazing how big a role buffs play, because last night at fathom-lord I had about 350+ mp5 while casting.

This coupled with a shadow priest, chain chugging pots/gems means you can spend alot of time spamming AB without mana problems. I did 1350 dps on Fathom-Lord and I admittedly screwed up, didn't end the fight with 0 mana. Had a full bar of mana around 20% and spammed AB with cooldowns endlessly and I couldn't use it all due to a few clearcasting procs and awesome mana regen. It's truly a spec that takes good judgement and practice, it's so much more fun than FBx7 Scorch.
#32 May 19 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Magenslayer wrote:

One thing to figure in is raid buffs. If you look at my armory right now I have something like 350 mp5 outside of casting, 210 while casting. It's amazing how big a role buffs play, because last night at fathom-lord I had about 350+ mp5 while casting.

This coupled with a shadow priest, chain chugging pots/gems means you can spend alot of time spamming AB without mana problems. I did 1350 dps on Fathom-Lord and I admittedly screwed up, didn't end the fight with 0 mana. Had a full bar of mana around 20% and spammed AB with cooldowns endlessly and I couldn't use it all due to a few clearcasting procs and awesome mana regen. It's truly a spec that takes good judgement and practice, it's so much more fun than FBx7 Scorch.


Blessing of Wisdom, Blessing of Kings, Gift of the Wild, Divine Spirit, Elixir of Draenic Wisdom. That does sound like it would add up to a lot.

I just really want to know the mana viability for those who are under the T5 raiding line. I don't care much right now about the DPS nor even DPM, just how viable it is to go through a 3-, 5-, 8-minute boss fight spamming Arcane Blast without 1) chugging Mana Potions specifically, nor 2) having the support of Vampiric Touch, Mana Spring Totem, or Judgement of Wisdom. Is it possible to use AB-Spam to get at least 600 DPS (yep, really low) at the Kara level on a fight without the support of a specific class helping your mana?
#33 May 19 2008 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
I want to say that you will easily get above 600 dps while spamming it, but without the other classes there to assist you that high dps will drop signifantly after you run oom after 30 seconds of spamming.
#34 May 20 2008 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Anobix the Wise wrote:
run oom after 30 seconds of spamming.


That's the info I was really looking for. Thanks, Anobix. Reach high DPS, but can't maintain. Gotcha.
#35 May 20 2008 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
Raglu wrote:
Anobix the Wise wrote:
run oom after 30 seconds of spamming.


That's the info I was really looking for. Thanks, Anobix. Reach high DPS, but can't maintain. Gotcha.


Sure, If you want to try it out, go to Dr. Boom and see how long you can go on him just spamming AB. I think I go oom (with 10k mana) in approximately 25 seconds (with no potions/etc)
#36 May 27 2008 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
wow i've been arcane since i hit 70 and even without having a Spriest/ele or Resto shammy/ JoW in my group i can still do FINE on my own while using AB spam for 80-90% of my dmg for a ~7 minute fight =/
while my dps isn't the normal 1600 it's still right around 1000-1200 just relying on mana pots gems and evo.
My gear is only at T4 lvl but i still do fine mana and dps/dpm wise
Spriests & shammys are just a luxery honestly it is possible to do good dmg at the lower gear lvls


*edit* put the wrong numbers in

Edited, May 27th 2008 1:33pm by Strikr
#37 May 27 2008 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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If you spam AB, it should do 100% of your damage, so what is your spell rotation? Are you chaincasting?

Honestly, if you spam AB, you will be OOM waay before 7 minutes, even including evocation and mana pots. That's just my experience talking there, I haven't respecced arcane and then done some kind of empirical test.
#38 May 27 2008 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
Strikr wrote:
wow i've been arcane since i hit 70 and even without having a Spriest/ele or Resto shammy/ JoW in my group i can still do FINE on my own while using AB spam for 80-90% of my dmg for a ~7 minute fight =/
while my dps isn't the normal 1600 it's still right around 1000-1200 just relying on mana pots gems and evo.
My gear is only at T4 lvl but i still do fine mana and dps/dpm wise
Spriests & shammys are just a luxery honestly it is possible to do good dmg at the lower gear lvls


*edit* put the wrong numbers in

Edited, May 27th 2008 1:33pm by Strikr


I need some proof of this. And if you are only in T4 what fights are you comparing to? I can't think of a single 7-minute fight pre-tk/ssc. Bagtheridon could possibly be that long, but it isn't a chain casting situation.

Edited, May 27th 2008 2:59pm by Anobix
#39 May 27 2008 at 4:13 PM Rating: Good
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Anobix the Wise wrote:
I need some proof of this.


At the very least an armory link so we can see the ridiculous spirit one would need.
#40 May 27 2008 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I have been a long time advocate of 10/48/3.
It is an efficient build, given the right gear levels the dps is good and you have longevity which goes a long way. You will probably want to work fireblast into your rotation for fights that you are confidant of beating. It props up your dps quite a bit. If the spec is a race tuning for a car, this tuning is meant for rallies.

Then one day I got fed up and specced 2/48/11.
I found that I turned myself into something else. It was not that evident at first but when I bought my Icon (after I got my 100 badge chest first) and used a macro (yeah lame right?) the rally car that has a nice top speed but "OK" pickup became a car with a brilliant top speed, reaches top speed easily but the turbo timer makes it go back down or you overheat. Ever since then, I hunger for a spriest (a new guy joining the guild running a spriest made things easier) and our elemental shamans being more active really gives the build the support it needs. Currently we got 3 mages on this build as another recently got T5 gloves (Leo down!! woot) and thus went arcane.
#41 May 28 2008 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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same. and able to do 1000 to 1200 at t4 level is super awesome too.
and AB spam for 80 to 90% of your damage?

i would like to see a wws report


for me, even at MH with jaina's AB and a shadow priest, i still OOM in around 4minutes time, and have to use some frostbolt for the last few % of the boss
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